topic Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between in Libraries & objects

Cabinets - hide lines in between

cocoloco — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:17:18 GMT

Hi! how do I remove these lines ? It is already painful that archicad cabinetry library is not customizable enough for designers so I had to create 3 cabinets instead just ONE with different segments and types... Finally I build the 3 cabinets (already a painful experience) , now these lines shows everywhere! I turned off everything in setting and it is still there. there are connected perfectly and have same finish, so it should hide the lines.... I tried also different display orders but nope, nothing works.

- Floor plan shows ok, all seamless, the cabinet edge visibility on side is turned on for a reason and must stay however the other side is turned off and should not show anywhere and especially not in countertop and baseboard.. I mean... I would have to literally explain the carpenter, piece by piece please don't make cuts, it's my software... and no not a free one.
- regarding floor plan, note worth saying, that countertop visibility also does not show, neither backsplash is ... also can't see each line to be customized for one or another (cabinetry/drawers openings, backsplash, carsas...)

@archicad better come with some *real* updates for interior designers and intuitive work based on feedbacks received for years, because I won't be renewing if I have to spend many hours with workarounds taking hours to find , learn or just simply don't work

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

figge — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:11:06 GMT

The only work around I've found is to use the Plinth and footings rather than just a 'square footing'. At least it eliminates the lines of the base, not sure how to fix your splash back problem.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

Barry Kelly — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 00:49:58 GMT

Personally I don't use the Graphisoft cabinets.

I have created my own to do exactly what I want them to do.

This of course does not help you or anyone else.

I believe the objects from older versions (24?) may work better, but may lack some newer features.

I really don't understand why Graphisoft find it so hard to amend these objects based on user information.

I am having my own battle at the moment with a few objects in 28, trying to get them fixed before it is released, but that is not working well either.

Still, that is another issue.

Use the plinth as figge described.

If you don't have options to hide the backsplash joins, then I would turn it off and add your own continuous backsplash.

You could do the same for the plinth (kickboard), but we really should have the option to hide all joining edges in plan and elevation when these objects are designed to be used side buy side.

Barry.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

mthd — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 01:11:26 GMT

When I build cabinets in Chief Architect and move them into position right next to an already placed one, they will automatically join. That is, base cabinets auto join to base cabinets and overhead cabinets will auto join to overhead cabinets.

Archicad needs to have a similar function like bump next to the same type of cabinet and they will auto join as well.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

Barry Kelly — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 01:17:36 GMT

In Archicad, when 2 of the same surfaces in the same plane touch, they will join seamlessly (in elevation/3D).

Unfortunately this does not apply automatically to objects, as they are always 'independent elements.

I am not sure if this is something Graphisoft can fix, but it would certainly help if they could.

Barry.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

mthd — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:08:33 GMT

Here is a video on the basics of cabinets and how they work in Chief Architect.

https://www.chiefarchitect.com/videos/watch/10117/cabinet-basics.html?playlist=87

Graphisoft might be able to learn a thing or two about how cabinets could be improved in Archicad for the future ?

In my region I prefer to use Archicad with CI tools even though it takes a bit longer. We have different fixtures than the US does, like sinks and appliances etc and they look more realistic for our region.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

cocoloco — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 14:59:22 GMT

I will have a look at it . It sucks. I can't believe that this is an issue. I am not even using archicad daily, how come no other designer or architect brought up this issue before and how come @archicad still haven't even fixed it?

PS: How did you show your openings? I tried also different setting so I can have the lines but I could not find it!

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

cocoloco — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:01:23 GMT

It is so surprising that this has not been addressed before or fixed... this is 2024, I literally just started to use archicad little bit more, and noticing these items that were all automated in Revit (and you said chief architect too).... I feel Archicad focus on items every year as upgrades that don't mean nothing to me but can't fix things like this?

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

cocoloco — Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:02:34 GMT

thank you I will try. I really really hope that archicad is coming with some actually real upgrades this year, or rather, better UI and functionality of existing functions :(((

Thanks Barry as always!

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

mthd — Sat, 14 Sep 2024 02:38:22 GMT

They did do some work on cabinets in versions 25 & 26. I agree that they could do some more work on them particularly for interior designers.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

cocoloco — Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:29:22 GMT

I do some slight updates, which is great but … it’s obvious they never got feedback from someone who actually works in archicad, because they would adress that the cabinets show lines in between when 3 cabinets or more needs to be (needs to be in archicad) created 🫠

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

runxel — Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:36:53 GMT

It already works, Barry. You might have missed it, it's in the newer commands.

As an example look at cprism_{3}:

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

Barry Kelly — Mon, 16 Sep 2024 01:28:20 GMT

That is fine for adjoining CPRISMs in the same object.

But if two of those objects touch each other, they will not blend together.

Barry.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

runxel — Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:19:05 GMT

@Barry Kelly schrieb:

That is fine for adjoining CPRISMs in the same object.

But if two of those objects touch each other, they will not blend together.

Did you actually try it?

Because in my screenshot is just one object, placed 4 (!) times! 😉

So yes, it works as advertised, and they WILL blend together.

This might convince you:

Works in all dimensions:

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

Barry Kelly — Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:10:18 GMT

Yep I get it now.

The mask value affects the individual CPRISMs within the object as well as those for adjoining objects.

I was using the example from the GDL manual with the 4 cubes next to each other, but didn't change the mask values.

So it depends which edges of objects touch.

The mask values are for top (1), bottom (2) & side (4) (or any combination thereof 3, 5, 6 or 7).

When corresponding masked edges touch, the join will be eliminated.

Set them all as mask = 7 and all edges disappear.

Barry.

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

mthd — Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:40:08 GMT

Out of curiosity, can you actually set that mask value of “7” in the cabinets dialogue box ? Or do you have to edit the GDL script of the actual cabinet in question ?

Re: Cabinets - hide lines in between

Barry Kelly — Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:46:48 GMT

The cabinet would have to be scripted using the CPRISM{3} command.

The mask value could be set as a parameter that the user could alter in the object settings.

I doubt the default Graphisoft objects will be scripted this way.

I am currently working on my own cabinet objects, and now this has given me ideas for them.

I currently have a hotspot switch to turn edge lines on or off.

I may be able to eliminate that now.

Barry.