topic Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees in Libraries & objects

Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

MLWheeler — Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:21:10 GMT

Can we have a conversation about this? Seems like it's been an issue for over 10 years with no obvious answers to fix.

I am using AC25 library doors (In AC25 Solo), one pocket, one hinged -- both doors have the texture rotated 90 degrees.

Also same behaviour for architrave - texture runs perpendicular to material direction.

My room has vertical timber acoustic panelling for which I have set up custom surface, material and composites for walls; however, when I apply the surface to my doors, it displays perpendicular to the walls.

As others have said before, yes, I could setup a duplicate surface and rotate it 90 degrees, but is this really the best solution to this issue? What am I missing?

Thanks

Marcus

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Mahmoud Qenawi — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 16:31:42 GMT

Hi @MLWheeler ,

Did you try to change the rotation angle for the surface you created?

See these screenshots.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

MLWheeler — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:55:41 GMT

Hi Mahmoud

I have done this as a work around - i.e. created a duplicate surface and rotated 90 degrees.

It seems like a poor solution to have to do this for something that should 'just work' - surely I should be able to attribute the same surface to a wall and a door and not have one appear perpendicular to the other. There appears to be broken logic in the geometry of some objects.

There doesn't even appear to be a way to manually realign the texture to these objects or faces.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

MLWheeler — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:02:19 GMT

The crux of the issue is evidenced by the very fact that, as far as I can see, we have to create a separate 'horizontal' surface in order to have it appear vertically on doors.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

DGSketcher — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:49:29 GMT

I do have some sympathy with GS that our expectations may on occasion exceed their ability to map the surfaces, particularly on panelled glazed doors, but I do find myself irritated by the failure to track the architrave direction changes and also by their application of a 90 degree rotation to a flat panel door where the grain is nearly always seen running vertically.

I think the problem is seen in other elements like windows and it would be good if GS took a moment to consider the texture orientation and correct it where it is obviously incorrect.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Mahmoud Qenawi — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:02:50 GMT

I've found something i don't know if it's a bug or a matter i can't understand,

As you see in attached screenshots that any wood material like walnut one, if Horizontal the rotation angle is (0) & if Vertical rotation angle becomes (90).

And in wood Mahogany if Horizontal and set to (0) & Vertical is set to (90) the result is reflexed when applied to a door,

That could be solved when i set the rotation angle to (90) for Horizontal Mahogany wood & (0) to Vertical Mahogany one.

There may be a problem or i may have conflict between Inside & Outside.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

DGSketcher — Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:20:24 GMT

The problem is compounded by having two identical texture images with different names (H&V). There should be a single texture image and the orientation set within the Surface configuration and identified by the name presented to the user. Having said that, there should be consistency in the element texture orientation used in the Elements e.g. the default texture alignment should have zero rotation so that when you apply a surface it follows the natural expected default orientation of the object. e.g. along a beam, vertical on a door panel, horizontal on an roof panel etc.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

MLWheeler — Sat, 30 Sep 2023 07:56:01 GMT

This is exactly the problem I am referring to: if you apply those same textures to a wall, they should appear as described.

With regards to the rotation setting in the surface settings box, the starting point is to have the orientation of the texture file set up correctly in the first instance; therefore, if the source image file opens with on screen as 'vertical' in an image preview application, then the surface should be named a vertical and rotation set to zero degrees; it will then appear correctly on walls, but not on doors.

Because of this problem, the general solution is to duplicate all directional textures and name them as 'vertical' and 'horizontal' so we can get the desired aesthetic once it is apparent which way the surface is running.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

MLWheeler — Sat, 30 Sep 2023 08:03:53 GMT

I agree that it may not be easy to address geometry of every object, perhaps even impossible. I consider a slab where I might want flooring boards to run in a certain direction, for example.

I would like to see solution which would allow us to set the orientation of a surface next to the surface selection and override settings. And rather than having to set for every object every time, I believe this would at least allow the management of surface appearance though the creation of 'favourites'.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

DGSketcher — Sun, 01 Oct 2023 22:19:21 GMT

I see there are two conflicting systems here. There is the natural alignment (think woodgrain) I mentioned above and the basic surface texture alignment e.g. if you apply a vertical pattern it appears vertical on all surfaces so it isn't rotated on doors etc. I think to resolve this you would need a switch either in the 3D element attribute settings or within the Surface texture to determine the application method.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Karl Wir_n — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 10:24:41 GMT

On many of the building elements, like walls, slabs etc, you can align the texture in a custom orientation. Got to document>creative imaging>align 3d-texture. Unfortunately there are limitations and the behaviour is different for different tools. The morph tool is the easiest to map and the column tool is the worst. If you try to make a wooden beam and a wooden column and intend to use the same material (since both are wood!) you need to alter the texture rotation in the material settings so that it fits the column. Then you have to select all beams and rotate the texture by using the "align texture" command.

If you after that want to apply the same material to an object, door or window, you might have problems with the direction again. It is funny because making a parameter in the gdl-script that lets the user rotate or translate the texture is very easy! I wonder why GS don't go through their library and add this feature to all scripted objects. I script many objects myself and I also copy objects from the standard library and add extra features to them. When I do that I always add the ability to rotate the texture.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

MLWheeler — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 11:37:25 GMT

Thanks Karl - I will look into the document>creative imaging>align 3d-texture function in more detail.

I wonder if I can get your details - being able to script objects is a useful skill and knowing someone who can would be excellent - I'm sure I would like to commission a few objects in the future if this would be of interest?

Thanks again,

Marcus

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Zendrix — Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:37:28 GMT

Im having the same issue as described:

I have corrugated metal walls and the texture is applied vertically by default. I then applied it to a door which i want as continous material and orientation and it simply rotates the texture on the door. Using the option "align 3d-texture" is impossible cause its greyed out, even after accessing that menu with that specific door selected.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Barry Kelly — Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:43:23 GMT

Align 3D texture does not work for objects (doors).

The only solution is to create a duplicate material rotated 90° as explained earlier.

Unless the door object has an option to rotate the material (but i doubt that).

Barry.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

mthd — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 01:29:21 GMT

Time to make a wish for this if it hasn’t already be done yet.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Lingwisyer — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 01:38:32 GMT

Would be surpised if there isn't already a wish carried over from the old forum since this has been an issue for a long time...

Wish: 12472

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

mthd — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 01:38:05 GMT

I would think the old forum would be forgotten by now lol !

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Barry Kelly — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:21:48 GMT

I am not sure it is a problem with the door itself - although it would be nice if there was an option to rotate the materials.

And the frame material orientation certainly need fixing.

But if you look at a roof and a wall, the texture maps correctly.

A slab on the other hand, the sides are vertical (as would be expected) but I would think that a vertical material on a slab would run vertically in plan.Not like this.

As door leafs are scripted from PRISMs (basically slabs), it seems they are following the same principles.

Fix the slab orientation (probably too late now after all these years) and the door problem would be fixed as well.

The doors could be scripted with a material rotated in the correct way, and it could also be offered as a parameter that the user can set.

Barry.

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

Lingwisyer — Mon, 28 Oct 2024 03:35:54 GMT

Never thought of that, so it is the box mapping that AC uses and how it rotates the axis for door panels...

Re: Door Textures Rotated 90 degrees

AllanP — Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:25:23 GMT

from memory this bit of code changes the pattern to vertical for doors/windows....

MAT = materialAttribute_1 !----MY DOOR PANEL HERE CPRISM_{3} mat, mat, mat, mask, 5, 1, 0, 0, 0, 15, mat, 1, 0, 0, 15, mat, 1, 1, 0, 15, mat, 0, 1, 0, 15, mat, 0, 0, 0, -1, mat !----MY DOOR PANEL HERE !----FIX THE MAPPING FOR DOORS BASE vert 0, 0, 0 !#1 vert 0, 0, 1 !#2 vert 1, 0, 0 !#3 vert 0, 1, 0 !#4 coor 2, -1, -2, -3, -4 BODY 1 !----FIX THE MAPPING FOR DOORS

anything saved as a library part door adds the "coors" lines for you.

and the door leafs do have code for it, but it looks like someone made a mistake