topic Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is? in Libraries & objects

Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

rob2218 — Fri, 26 May 2023 09:15:20 GMT

So..trying to trace a DWG plan.
trying to insert door objects EXACTLY where I want to insert them from the get go..but for some reason ALL doors seem to only be insertable (if that is a word) based on some "shim spacer" point...not the HINGE point...how do I get the doors to insert using a "HINGE" point as the insertion point?

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:56:22 GMT

Well, this is how ARCHICAD works, you can insert by either side of the Wall hole or by the middle. 3 insertion options available.

If I see it correctly the frames in the Wall are not drawn in the original DWG. If they were you had the point to click to.

Here is what I would do: Let's say your frame is 2". I would Special Snap Points to the Distance option and set this 2" for the Distance value. Then I would hover my cursor outside the edge of the Door on the Wall edge and the Special Snap Point would show me where to click.
I hope this explanation makes sense.

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

rob2218 — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:00:03 GMT

Yes Lazs...your explanation makes sense....but....wouldn't you think it would make more sense for a "door object" to be able to be inserted based on it's "hinge" rather than never-used 'shim' spot?

I mean seriously. I general, designers could care less how/where that shim spot is because...well, shimming and gaps involve many factors so why are we inserting doors based on a "node" that is...well, useless? (the question is rhetorical).

I think for future version...Graphisoft may want to consider creating or embedding or coding in a "hotspot" in the door object that can be used as an insertion target..............such as the door hinge.

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 01:35:53 GMT

What happens in a corner situation when that frame butts up against another wall?
Inserting by the door hinge will be useless as it is the edge of the frame that needs to touch (or be slightly clear) of the other wall.

To me it makes perfect sense to place a door object by the side of the frame.
After all you are positioning the entire frame and not just the door.

Barry.

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

rob2218 — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 03:04:46 GMT

Well...first off, if you have a door so close to the corner where the hinge is touching the corner you are practicing bad architecture. No door should be that close to a corner, you should at least leave (min.) of 4" from another partition...simple as that.
If a door is close to a corner you will have no room for your trim. How do you expect to get a door trim in there?

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

Bill — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:54:18 GMT

Rob, is the rough opening size set to be the same as the unit size? Another way to ask this question is, is there any additional tolerance? That is what controls the size of the shim space. If you don't want to deal with the shim space, just set the tolerance to zero, and the rough opening size will be the same as the unit size.

Doesn't solve your request for having another insert point, but at least it eliminates another set of lines+points.

Bill

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:39:19 GMT

Rob, make a wish for this feature.
Actually I can see where you are coming from because in case of all other GDL Object types that do not insert into a Wall you can define as many hotspots as you want and you can insert them by any of these hotspots. Even in case of Skylights, which is also a GDL Object type that insert into a host element.
So this is only the limitation of Doors and Windows.
I guess this is just how historically these two Tools were designed and programmed to work.

If you make a wish, please post its link here so people know about it and can vote for it.

Re: Door Insertion Point - why does it insert where it is?

rgarand — Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:01:54 GMT

You can set your door up with 0 horizontal tolerance and 0 upper tolerance. Then set your frame width to 0. This will give you a door without a frame, like we used to draw back in the old days. You can then insert your doors over the other doors and they get placed correctly.

Then later when you want to catapult to 2015 you can select all of your doors and change the frame width to whatever you want and the doors expand from the original insertion point, keeping the doors in place.

A work around for sure, but doable.

Or set up your Model View Options (MVO) to Simple, insert your doors with frame width still set to 0