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Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doors?

rob2218 — Fri, 26 May 2023 09:22:10 GMT

see attached image.

query: need to make a custom (or if there is some in the library of doors) beveled top type doors for "dormer" conditions we have up north in the U.S.A.
How to?

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Erich — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:17:50 GMT

Rob,

I think you are stuck doing a custom door for this condition. Build it with slabs, walls, etc. Make a slab with an ID of wallhole to get the correct cutout.

Look at the manual for specifics.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

rob2218 — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:07:41 GMT

I'm familiar with making a custom door panel with slabs but how or where do I make the "ID with wall cut out" variable read properly? I saw a tip somewhere a while back which had a real ornate window design circular I think it was and it was placed in a wall and the wall around the circular window fitted perfectly around the window frame. I think that's the I.D. comment you made but not quite sure how to set that.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:22:46 GMT

Hello Rob,
After you have built your window in the plan, make one more slab
that is the exact shape of the outside of your window frame and is
positioned exactly in the same place as the frame. Give this slab the ID
"Wallhole" and save the assembly as a window object. You don't have
to edit the script because there will be a wallhole command in the script.
The ID is set in the info pallet box in the text field labeled "ID" which is
usually a number that you change to read "Wallhole" (without the quotes)
Peter Devlin

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

rob2218 — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 23:50:14 GMT

thanks Peter.
I'll give it a shot tomorrow at work sir.

much, much appreciated.
cheers!

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

rob2218 — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:32:03 GMT

ok..the custom door was done with a simple "slab" then saved as a "custom component" but I'm not sure what the process is for having the door opening follow the door shape? it's that "I.D." additional slab I have to have but....where/how/when/at what point do I need to add that "I.D." variable in the saving process?

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:25:12 GMT

Hello Rob,
Custom Components are not relevant in this context.
Please build a complete door including frame, panel,
interior trim and exterior trim. Please see this thread.
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=162048&highlight=wallhole#162048
Peter Devlin

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

rob2218 — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:09:56 GMT

I must be as dense as a bag of rocks...
I did all that you suggested.
Create a door panel using a slab.
created a frame using beams (simply profile 2x4 frame).
created another slab for use with the wall I.D. hole.
when I selected all 3 parts, and went thru the steps...it captured the objects yet...the only that is show in 3d and in plan is the wall opening.
Neither the door nor the frames show up......like I said....there's just some minut step I'm missing I'm sure.

I can believe a simple beveled top door is taking this long.
My boss is gonna hang me by a tree for burning so much project time.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:21:28 GMT

Hello Rob,
Are you building your door centered on
the project origin and on the first story ?
If you build on any other story the door
elements will be displaced and appear
far away from the wall they are supposed to be in.
Peter Devlin

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

rob2218 — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:11:14 GMT

well..that was something that was not mentioned.
Should I be building the door "centered" on the project "X" origin 'AND' also on the first floor???

if that is the case..I'll try that now and see what results it gives me.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:29:45 GMT

Hello Rob,
The answer to your question is YES to both parts.
Peter Devlin
P.S. It is safest to model your door in a new project
and use only slabs.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

rob2218 — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:03:17 GMT

OK, it's all looking good now...with a few exceptions...

by the way..I don't think anywhere on the Archicwiki's nor the tutuorials does it say you MUST put the slabs,beams etc..on the project origin of "X"...so that's an important step NOT to skip.

So..now that I have my custom door object put in plan...how do I get the door to show a swing? How do I get the door to show "open in 2d mode"?
How do I get my door to be the right size?
it appears that there is a small discrepancy between the size of the door and where it's shown in plan? How?

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 18:19:41 GMT

Hello Rob,
To edit the 2D symbol do what Master Script says to do.

"EXTRA: MODIFY YOUR 2D REPRESENTATION
8 Select the placed window and choose File/Libraries and Object/Open object.
9 Select the 2D symbol and adjust the representation using 2D tools.
IMPORTANT: do not draw outside the windows' width
10 Close the Object window and save or choose save from the top menu."

The door size can be adjusted by changing the "A" dimension in the
parameter list.
Peter Devlin

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Erich — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 20:33:22 GMT

I have been away from the computer for awhile. Peter, thanks for picking up my slack.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:29:24 GMT

Hello Erich,
Your welcome .
I have a question for you.
Have you found that you needed to make
a parametric trapezoid door or window ?
I have found I needed both and made both.
They can make a four sided or five sided trapezoid shape.
I notice the AC library has a trapezoid window but no door.
I wonder why not.
Cheers,
Peter Devlin

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Erich — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:35:48 GMT

Peter,

Yes, I have had need of both the trapezoidal window and door from time to time, particularly in my current office. I started adding that ability to my doors awhile ago but haven't finished yet - thankfully the office is getting a bit busier lately.

But the standard library should certainly have this as an option. Particularly in a program by architects for architects.

Re: Doors with sliced off-beveled tops? Dormer condition doo

Stress Co_ — Tue, 21 Jun 2011 04:44:20 GMT

rob2218 wrote:
My boss is gonna hang me by a tree for burning so much project time.

Sometimes you can burn more unbillable time than the cost of an add-on.
Check out Cadimage's Window & Door Builder
It has a it's drawbacks.... but (to me) it's very worthwhile.