topic Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De in Libraries & objects

how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D Detail

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 09:28:36 GMT

O.k. This is very frustrating and is something that worked easily in previous versions of Archicad.

I would like to set my door (using under Wood Entrance Doors - D1 Entrance 12) to the "simple" 2D Detail Level and have the door leaf shown as a double line. This was something that in previous versions I could just check a box.

I've noticed that this is not the only library part that refuses to be represented with a double line at the "Simple" 2D Detail Level. Even if I choose the Middle Detail Level the door leaf still gets shown as a single line.

Also when I select the D1 Pocket 12 sliding pocket door (under Specialty doors - sliding doors) I get message "the start and endpoints of a subpolygon must be identical. at line 534 in the 2d script of file dp_door_panels_usa.gsm". ANyway very annoying. I've also spent way too long checking absolutely every parameter. I'm either blind or something has been removed. I want the double line back!!!

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:29:57 GMT

Isn't there anyone who knows the answer to this seemingly easy question?

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Greg A_ Blunier — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:45:47 GMT

For the double line on the door leaf, check your scale. I suspect that you have a small scale set in the floor plan so that the scale sensitive nature of the door symbol is going to the single line.

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:29:30 GMT

This response doesn't answer my question. I already know about the different scale sensitivities. My question is getting a double line for a door leaf USED to be an option when the 2D Detail is set to Simple.

Version 12 has changed the door options, for the worse IMHO.

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:19:04 GMT

O.K. just spoke to a Graphisoft Tech person and this is a bug. The problem happens when the 2D Detail is set to either "simple" or "Middle". You also get problems with the library part for the pocket door (under Specialty, Sliding doors - D1-pocket 12 when this setting is used.

Doesn't Graphisoft have Beta testers who would have pointed out this bug??? Seriously, it's a basic graphic representation. WHO shows casing details on a 1/4" floor plan????

Another gripe... why is the US Library so inferior design wise as compared to the International library??? Graphisoft, give us US Architects better libraries!!!

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:22:34 GMT

Carmel wrote:
O.K. just spoke to a Graphisoft Tech person and this is a bug. The problem happens when the 2D Detail is set to either "simple" or "Middle". You also get problems with the library part for the pocket door (under Specialty, Sliding doors - D1-pocket 12 when this setting is used.

Doesn't Graphisoft have Beta testers who would have pointed out this bug??? Seriously, it's a basic graphic representation. WHO shows casing details on a 1/4" floor plan????

Another gripe... why is the US Library so inferior design wise as compared to the International library??? Graphisoft, give us US Architects better libraries!!!

Dear Carmel,
Thanks for posting this. I just got this bug, and confirm that the problem has not been fixed in the most recent AC12 update (2523 USA FULL).

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Erich — Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:07:05 GMT

ammacdon wrote:
the problem has not been fixed in the most recent AC12 update (2523 USA FULL).

Of course not this issue is not with ArchiCAD but with the library objects and will not be fixed, nor will any of the other window and door problems, until there is a library update...if then. Thanks to this forum we do know that GS is aware of the issues and are working on them. We just don't know when we will see a fix.

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Sun, 12 Dec 2010 19:57:43 GMT

Well, I finally installed AC14 and this problem still hasn't been fixed!

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 05:53:49 GMT

There is a Library update for 14 now.

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Scott Bulmer — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:09:49 GMT

Carmel, thanks for bringing this critical issue to light.

A related issue came up recently in the context of providing consultants with simplified DWG export drawings, where door swing clearance accuracy was critical.

In the attached image there are three identical 3’-0” wide doors with the only difference being the display settings related to the detail level of the frame and casings.

Door A is set to Detailed and displays the frame and casing, which the consultant does not want.

Door B is set to Scale Sensitive such that the frame and casings disappear when the scaled drawing is 1/8” or less. Note the incorrect dimension of 3’-2” when the door is set to 3’-0”.

Door C is set to Simple. The resulting dimension is incorrect as well.

All three doors list correctly at 3'-0" in the schedule. Is this a know issue and is there a simple workaround? Thanks for any thoughts.

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 01:43:32 GMT

Thank You! Someone actually pays attention to the settings in the Door items. Seriously, whomever is programming Archicad isn't an ARCHITECT having to send DWG files back to consultants (who already think that Archicad is lame and Architects don't know how to draw to the appropriate level of detail).

Of course I know a work around, however why doesn't it just work easily? Also what do those extra variables mean????

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 16:55:48 GMT

Carmel wrote:
Seriously, whomever is programming Archicad isn't an ARCHITECT having to send DWG files back to consultants (who already think that Archicad is lame and Architects don't know how to draw to the appropriate level of detail).

Carmel wrote:
Doesn't Graphisoft have Beta testers who would have pointed out this bug???

You are making several false assumptions:

(1) that ALL reported bugs are immediately fixed and that there is no (huge) backlog of bugs to-be-fixed, and

(2) that Graphisoft's design team is not primarily made up of architects who are aware of most issues... which are on a "to do" list with some priority that differs from yours and mine.

There are dozens of things that each of us has to work around. When those things are to be fixed is out of our control.

If this one upsets you this much, it'll be interesting to hear you when you run into some of the big issues. 😉

Cheers,
Karl

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:31:20 GMT

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Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

vfrontiers — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:59:05 GMT

Not to "stir the pot" but the third false assumption is...
(3) that all architects want the same graphics...

That being said, wouldn't be to difficult to have a Single Line / Double Line option.. just would take time to include it in an already overburdened parameter list for EACH DOOR...

Re: how to get a double line for a door leaf in Simple 2D De

Anonymous — Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:14:23 GMT

My point is that this was an option that has been taken away and replaced with numerous other options which are completely confusing...... With respect to Architects all having their preference to graphic styles.... please... the issue as stated by Scott is that the measured value changes. Read his response, which is also my annoyance.

And to the previous poster about choosing a more valid issue, how can I send dwg files to consultants with this discrepancy in sizing? Reread the comment.