topic Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect in Libraries & objects

Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 09:38:42 GMT

We have a complex wall profile that has a 4' wainscot and a ledge. When we place a door in the wall, it displays incorrectly in both the plan and 3D. In the plan view, the door frame is correct, but it doesn't cut the ledge. In 3D the door frame extends all the way to the end of the ledge. Any ideas?

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:37:35 GMT

In 3D...

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:00:59 GMT

Jay,
I just made a complex profile wall very similar to yours
and put a window and door into it and found that
they had all sorts of strange problems in 3D
including the ones you mentioned.
The door did not cut the brick wainscot, the exterior casing
separated from the jamb, and the jamb depth was some
arbitrary dimension that did not fit in the wall.
The window cut into the wainscot in 3D but not in 2D
but otherwise seemed ok.

Peter Devlin

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Link — Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:38:57 GMT

There's so many things to consider (and then the complex profile system is full of bugs anyway IMHO).

To correct the 3D view, have you checked the following?:

Opening Reference is checked in the Profile Editor and the lines are positioned correctly;

Your door's 'Opening Plane' is 'Associated to Wall' (parameters panel);

For your 2D view:

I think this is just a bug mate. At least I haven't found a way to make it appear properly yet. Maybe someone else has?....

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

David Maudlin — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:37:29 GMT

Jay wrote:
We have a complex wall profile that has a 4' wainscot and a ledge. When we place a door in the wall, it displays incorrectly in both the plan and 3D. In the plan view, the door frame is correct, but it doesn't cut the ledge. In 3D the door frame extends all the way to the end of the ledge. Any ideas?

Jay:

This is a similar problem that I reported during beta testing. Here follows a summary of my analysis:

The Problem:

I have been looking at using the Profile Manager with Walls to automatically add standard trim pieces to walls (base trim, crown moulding, chair rail), instead of the old method of placing objects next to the walls. When I saw the information about the Profile Manager, this was the first use of this new tool that occurred to me, but I have run into a few problems that prevent the use of this tool for this common residential condition.

I created a new profile (4 1/2” thick wall with 3/4” thick x 4” high base trim) by drawing a rectangular fill 4 1/2” wide x 8’-0” high, which is the wall itself, the Horizontal Stretch lines are set to each side of this fill. I then added fills 3/4” wide x 4” high with a profile similar to a standard base trim. The Vertical Stretch lines are set at the top of this trim and the top of the wall.

The first problem is that the wall tool takes the total width of this profile (6”) as the wall thickness, which is not correct in this common occurrence. (For those of you familiar with GDL, the C_ or WALL_THICKNESS Global Variable is being reported as 6”.) We need the option to designate the wall thickness. A start would be to be able to set for each profile, either in the Profile Manager or in the Wall Tool dialog box, whether the wall thickness is the total profile width or the width between the Horizontal Stretch lines. This would solve the specific problem described, as well as allow one profile to be used for a variety of wall thicknesses, which would allow the wall itself to expand or contract, but keep the trim profiles constant.

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Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

David Maudlin — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 14:39:48 GMT

(Continued from previous post)

My solution:

So what I see is an input as shown in the attached image (see bottom of post): Two related input dimensions, one for the total width (as in the current version) and a new input for the dimension between the Horizontal Stretch lines. As one is changed, the other is updated based on the selected profile. So in my example from my first post, the total width would be 6” and the “wall width” would be 4 1/2”. If I changed the “wall width” to 6 1/2” the total width would update automatically to 8” (similar in function to the z heights shown with the other tools, that gives the height to “current story” and Project Zero). The relationship between these has been set out graphically by the user in the Profile Manager (an intelligent relationship, but no GDL).

My proposed solution is to give the user the option of designating either the total profile wall thickness (as is the current case) or the dimensions between the horizontal stretch lines (new option) as the wall thickness. I think could address Jay’s example as well as many others.

Thanks for listening,

David

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:33:38 GMT

In section, I have finally gotten the door frame to align itself properly with the wall, however the casing on either side is misaligned.

In the following posts are images of the complex profile window, and the door selection settings.

I think I've adjusted every setting that's available - without success - and I don't see the option spoken of in the preceding posts.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:36:21 GMT

Complex Profile window - the opening lines (red) are set at the face of the plaster. The horizontal stretch lines are set at the face of the masonry (gray fill).

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:37:22 GMT

The door selection settings for the frame:

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:38:25 GMT

The door selection settings for the trim:

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

adzik — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:29:27 GMT

Hello,

have you tried turning on the Frame Depth=Wall Depth setting under Door Frame parameters ?

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:24:45 GMT

adzik wrote:
Hello,

have you tried turning on the Frame Depth=Wall Depth setting under Door Frame parameters ?

Yes, I've tried that both ways.

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:17:40 GMT

Can you tell us what the exact name of the library part is that you are using?

Also, it would be fastest for one of us to diagnose this if you could post a zipped module if possible. Do the following: select the wall that contains the problem door. File > External Content > Save Selection as Module. Zip the resulting MOD file and attach here.

The profile (attribute) for the wall will come along with the module, but nothing much else - tiny file. Any of us can then merge your module into a default template to see what's going on.

Thanks,
Karl

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:02:21 GMT

Thanks for looking at this - I've attached the module.

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:25:57 GMT

No joy here. Sorry.

You used non-standard library parts, but I tried standard doors and got results similar to yours even after putting the opening reference line back where it belongs in the profile. (Was out in space in the MOD.)

Better results with 12, but still had the frame floating in space - or cutting through the chair rail.

No quick ideas from me - hopefully somebody else can figure this out.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:02:32 GMT

Well, thank you very much for looking at it.

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

adzik — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:05:26 GMT

Maybe just turn off casing on the door and create it manually with slabs/beams/columns.

That was the only way I could get it to work. Although I'm rather sure that in an older project I was able to achieve it without the manually added elements. If I should remember I'll let you know.

Re: Door In Complex Wall Profile Incorrect

Anonymous — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:47:11 GMT

Ya - I did end up turning the casing off out of frustration and manually creating the casing with fills in the section drawing.

THe other issue with this is that the door does not cut through the chair rail in the plan, so the chair rail is continuous in plan - no matter where I put the opening line in the complex profile.

Kinda frustrating.