topic Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth? in Libraries & objects

Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 09:40:38 GMT

Hello,

I have checked the available documentation and can't seem to find where one may set a window and/or door frame depth to match a wall depth. This command or setting was mentioned in another topic on this forum.

Thanks,

Mark Hendricks

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:47:10 GMT

If you check in the Parameters tab the "Door Frame" option there is a control to set the frame thickness=wall thickness.
Isn't this what you are looking for?

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:57:47 GMT

Just addition to above post:
in Std AC library (no idea about SE lib) "frame thickness of door = wall thickness" option is ON by default.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:16:42 GMT

Picture worth twenty words.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:47:50 GMT

Z.Bauer wrote:
Just addition to above post:
in Std AC library (no idea about SE lib) "frame thickness of door = wall thickness" option is ON by default.

Miker wrote:
If you check in the Parameters tab the "Door Frame" option there is a control to set the frame thickness=wall thickness.
Isn't this what you are looking for?

It's more than 50 word's

Jay wrote:
Picture worth twenty words

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:56:07 GMT

Hi Guys,

attached is screen shot from special addition library. I don't have the option for the frame thickness. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Mark Hendricks

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Tom Krowka — Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:06:19 GMT

I've noticed this one as well. Can't seem to find it on SE9 library.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:34:03 GMT

Would be nice to have this feature. I am fairly new to ArchiCAD and have used the Special Edition library on all of my projects to this point. I wouldn't know if other regular ArchiCAD9 features that could save time are missing. I know it's not easy to convert a plan to use the regular library elements. Are there any side by side comparisons of features that can help new users choose which library to use?

Thanks,

Mark Hendircks

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Tom Krowka — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:10:06 GMT

The se9 library parts have more features than the standard library. I use it regularly; down side is the wall thickness feature. I'm sure there must be a setting for frame = thickness, but it's hidden pretty well.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:32:21 GMT

Would I talk to Graphisoft support to find this out? I'm not sure if this library was created by third party or?

Thanks,
Mark Hendricks

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:11:31 GMT

Mark wrote:
Would I talk to Graphisoft support to find this out? I'm not sure if this library was created by third party or?

This library is from GS and is the update/replacement for the standard library.

Definitely consider contacting GS US support with questions. But, we might be able to help you more here if your question were more specific: which window/door doesn't work for you - and perhaps a screenshot of what is showing up wrong in plan? (My frame depths match my wall depths out of the box on the doors and windows I've tried from SE9.)

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:12:37 GMT

Tom wrote:
I'm sure there must be a setting for frame = thickness...

One would think so, but I haven't found it either. I assume that it is not available for wood doors (it's there as a check box for D1 Metal). This is a major pain and really should be added. I assume that there are some complications making it work in all circumstances (ie various wall types & geometries, trim conditions, etc.)

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:15:47 GMT

Karl wrote:
My frame depths match my wall depths out of the box on the doors and windows I've tried from SE9.

Which doors have you tried? I can't find any setting for it in any of the wood doors. It also appears to be off by default in the metal doors. I am wondering how yours have been working "out of the box".

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:28:15 GMT

For those with Door and Window Builder add-on, if you set frame thickness to 0 it will match wall thckness.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:37:31 GMT

s2art wrote:
For those with Door and Window Builder add-on, if you set frame thickness to 0 it will match wall thckness.

This is a common approach, but is not used in the SE library. As a GDL programmer I prefer the check box. Resetting the parameter to 0 is sooo 90's.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:50:29 GMT

Specific to D&WB though, slightly off original question, but related.

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:35:42 GMT

Attached is a screen shot of two D.H. windows in a 12" thick wall.

#1. I placed by using the default frame depth right out of the box. The frame is 4.5". An extension jamb is added automatically but, the frame does not mathe the wall thickness.

#2. I manually changed the frame depth to 12" prior to placing in the wall. This matches the wll thickness.

I have noticed other anomilies as well, such as: changing the construction method from edge to reveal and then back again. If you do this. the brick moulding automatically offsets in the opposite direction when going from edge to reveal then won't correct upon changing back to edge. I do 90% remodel/renovation design which does make a difference when going from as-built to new.

Thanks,

Mark Hendricks

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:40:13 GMT

Mark wrote:
Attached is a screen shot of two D.H. windows in a 12" thick wall.

Mark: what is the exact name of the window object (library part name)?

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Anonymous — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:57:53 GMT

Karl,

W Double Hung SE9

Thanks,

Mark

Re: Door and Window Frame to Match wall depth?

Seiss Wagner — Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:06:15 GMT

This thread is similar to my comment last week when I posted that I was unable to make a drywall return using the SE9 window library. If you reduce the widow frame width to less then the wall width then a jamb extension is automatically applied to the jamb frame. Setting the jamb extension to zero, "a sooo reto 90's workaround", causes ArchiCAD to crash; the solution is .001. This, however, only minimizes the jamb extension, it does not eliminate it.

This seems strange to me as the SE9 library was billed as a USA library. A drywall jamb return with a wood sill and apron is probably the most common interior window finish used in USA production housing. In my custom work, many clients like 5/8" drywall with a 2" bullnose return used in combination with a 2x6 exterior wood stud wall. I can't do that with with the SE9 library.

My question is this: why doesn't Graphisoft hire USA consultants to design USA libraries? I am not being sarcastic here, have you ever look through the objects library, half the crap in it I have never seen, and half the window objects are not in any USA catalog I have ever used. My advice to Graphisoft, just call up an Anderson window rep, get a catalog, and copy it. You will have 99% of all USA window configurations in your hands. It's really not that hard to do, a no brainer, if you just try.