topic Re: Need help for security door jambs in Libraries & objects

Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2023 09:40:14 GMT

In jails, security doors often have two different jamb widths in the frame. Typically 2" on the hinge side and 8" on the strike side. The wider jamb allows installation of an electric security lock as well as, in some cases, intercoms. I need the two different jamb widths to show up in plan at each door for coordination purposes as well as in 3D for presentation. All I've seen in Archicad so far is the width of the head can be a different dimension from the jambs but the jambs are always equal. Suggestions?

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:11:40 GMT

You might post some images of what you are trying to achieve. Is it a double wall construction?

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:17:38 GMT

Typically this door is installed in a normal masonry wall, 8" or 12" thick. Hopefully the attached jpg file will help clarify my problem. It is a little rough.

Re: Need help for security door jambs

TomWaltz — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:29:02 GMT

Even Door Builder (which I think it the most flexible door object I know of) does not have any setting like this that I can find.

I would think to even make this would take quite a bit of additional coding to alter the door object to make it happen.

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:41:41 GMT

You might look at the left or right opening oversize option. It won't be a one step process, but perhaps you can get what you are after. It would require an additional library part that serves as the oversize jamb. Just a thought...

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:45:20 GMT

If there are no 3rd party programs on the market what would be the easiest way to fake it? Make an empty masonry opening in the wall and then insert a custom door block into the opening?

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:45:31 GMT

Thanks for the idea on trying the oversize option. It almost works in the 2D plan view. I just need to add a few lines to close off the jamb to the side of the masonry opening. For some reason the oversized masonry opening does not appear in 3D. The wall still appears in the original position tight to the jamb. Is there a setting somewhere that will make the oversize opening appear in 3D as well?

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:50:29 GMT

Have you tried an empty opening with the reveals set differently
for the strike side and hinge side and then install a normal door
with no trim and almost zero jamb width ?
Peter Devlin

Re: Need help for security door jambs

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:24:36 GMT

fdrandel,
I tried the following procedure and it seems to work in 2D and 3D.
Place a D1 door (no masonry opening) with the following parameters.
No trim, jamb thickness=wall thickness=OFF, jamb dimensions are
2" wide, 4" thick, and strike side over-size=2".
To fill in strike side gap between jamb and wall hole,
use the "Cube" object in the basic shapes folder set to
2"x4"x6'-10" high. To hide the joint between the jamb and the
cube object in 3D, use the "Cylinder" object in the basic shapes folder
with the radius set to 1/64" and the height set to 6'-10".
Place the Cylinder at the joint and so that about one third of it's diameter
sticks out beyond the plane of the jamb and cube surface.
To hide the joint in 2D draw a white line over the joint line.
Peter Devlin