topic Re: Object not scaling when inserting into paper space in Libraries & objects

Object not scaling when inserting into paper space

CFS_Mike — Thu, 10 Apr 2025 20:43:36 GMT

I created an object to place on layout sheets in paper space, but it is not coming in at the correct scale. I would appreciate some help because I have searched everywhere and can't find the solution. Thanks in advance.

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runxel — Thu, 10 Apr 2025 21:43:58 GMT

While I did not look at your specific object but I think there is a misconception here: "Model space" and "Paper space" refer not the actual spaces in the metaphorical sense, like AutoCAD does.

Instead you will see that a Layout in Archicad has no scale attached. The terms of model and paper scale is introduced to have text and symbols that either scale (paper) or stay fixed (model) in size.

If you just place something on the layout, that is still "model space". It's just that it's tiny 😄

And since GDL works in meters, that just means if your title block is meant to be lets say 50 mm wide, you would need to write it is "0.05" in the GDL code. And it will always be like that. No scaling involved.

However if you have a floor plan, where you want to place a symbol and that should always be 50 mm wide when printed (or in the PDF) then you have to juggle with GLOB_SCALE and do some calculations – the object will scale (i.e. the true size in model units will differ depending on the view scale).

I hope that clears the fog a bit.

Re: Object not scaling when inserting into paper space

Barry Kelly — Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:05:29 GMT

Just to reinforce what runxel was saying.

Layouts are 1:1 scale, so any object you place will measure at 1:1 scale.

The short story is, that you should not be placing objects on the layouts.

All you should be placing are views from your view map (place them with the drawing tool or drag and drop from the view map).

Create a worksheet, or I actually create an elevation to the side of the plan and set it to 'Drawing' status so it does not show any of the 3D model.

The elevation contains the title block (I have others for details as well).

Set the scale to suit what ever you are placing on it.

The view of this elevation is then placed on my layouts, or better still the master layout, so it automatically shows on all the layouts using that master.

Now when the information is updated in the 'drawing' title block elevation, all of the masters and therefore layouts will automatically update with that information.

Barry.

Re: Object not scaling when inserting into paper space

Lingwisyer — Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:46:51 GMT

If you are pulling revision information from the layouts Revision History or Change History, it should ideally be placed on your Master Layout. The only thing that I can see as being a valid Layout object is a scale bar, as there is no way to read the scales of other placed Views and hence it would need to be set manually for each Layout.

Ling.

Re: Object not scaling when inserting into paper space

runxel — Fri, 11 Apr 2025 09:00:50 GMT

Offtopic, but what's the reason for choosing an elevation rather than the worksheet? Never seen that before.

I have all my title blocks organized on worksheets, so yes, @ OP: Don't place things on the Layouts except views.

(There is an issue with using autotext that is not placed on a layout directly tho and then trying to export to DWG – just saying, if that is relevant to your work)

Re: Object not scaling when inserting into paper space

Barry Kelly — Fri, 11 Apr 2025 11:17:36 GMT

@runxel wrote:

Offtopic, but what's the reason for choosing an elevation rather than the worksheet? Never seen that before.

To be honest I couldn't tell you.

It is just one of those "we have always done it that way" thing.

And "it isn't broken, so don't fix it".

Were there worksheets back in version 6.5?

I have never liked worksheets (or details) because that are not live views of the model.

But of course for title blocks that does not matter, as there is no need for a live model.

Barry.