topic Re: Complex profile wall still has bug in Libraries & objects

Complex profile wall still has bug

rjwilden — Wed, 24 May 2023 08:40:57 GMT

This problem has been around for years. Wall with complex profile includes skirting. When you place a door the skirting sits behind the door architrave, pushing the architrave 20mm way from the wall.
Problem exists in Cadimage doors and archicad doors. Is there a work around? or here is a better idea "FIX IT"

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Brett Brown — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:23:42 GMT

Hi Richard, this came up at an Eric Bowrow webinar and the simple fix was in the door settings. Change its anchor point from "Sill to", to "Header to" and see what happens. Worked in Eric's case.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Lingwisyer — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 01:30:36 GMT

Same issue and work around for windows in complex walls.

Doubt it will be changed as that would require a rescripting of every door and window as well as a new Global.

Ling.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Barry Kelly — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 02:04:18 GMT

I don't use CADImage or Archicad door objects.
But is there an option in the door to manually set the wall thickness?
The object is simply using the wall thickness at the anchor point - which is why using a head anchor sometimes works.

Or have a look at your complex profile.
Ensure the opening lines are set behind the skirting rather than in front of it.
I am not sure if this will make a difference or if the objects simply use the overall wall width at the anchor point.

Barry.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Brett Brown — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 02:07:54 GMT

Hi Barry, so what doors do you use? 4D?

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Barry Kelly — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 02:34:04 GMT

Brett wrote:
Hi Barry, so what doors do you use? 4D?

No, the company I work for has their own custom library.
Originally based on the version 6.5 library (20 odd years ago).
So our doors and windows are quite simple compared to the current ones.
They don't have all the bells and whistles, but they have been amended over the years to do exactly what we want them to do.

An update on the complex profile opening lines.
It seems the objects will still look at the wall thickness at the anchor point, regardless of the opening line positions.

Setting the frame width manually works, but for me it is still moving the frame by half the width of the skirting.

That could just be a problem in my door object - we don't usually add the skirting as part of the wall.
We tend to use a wall accessory.

Barry.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Barry Kelly — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 02:38:18 GMT

Compared to if I allow an automatic frame width to match the wall.

But with the anchor at the head of the door with auto frame width.

Barry.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

rjwilden — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 03:33:59 GMT

Thanks for all the tips. Using the header to floor option worked.
However I do have a knack for being able to break most tools. I decided to add a Scotia trim to the ceiling, and as you can see in the image it pushed the door frame to the edge of the Scotia trim. So half a solution. You also have to make sure the skirting is thiner than the architrave, being on the same plane causes ugly junctions.
With BIMx and Twinmotion, getting the model correct becomes more important. Critical in my view

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Barry Kelly — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:10:33 GMT

If you are using the GS hinged door, try turning on the option to set 'Frame Thickness = Wall Thickness'.
If this is off it seems to add in a filler piece that matches the maximum wall thickness.
So it will match the scotia width or the skirting width as well regardless of how the door is anchored..

Barry.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Nuge — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:20:24 GMT

Just model the skirting and scotia separately it will give you the total control your looking for

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Anonymous — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 11:13:46 GMT

I agree with the Topic Title. IMO this is a bug.
Opening Reference Lines are not working as they should.
My 2cts.

Re: Complex profile wall still has bug

Ivan Myers — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:42:06 GMT

Thanks Barry,

This was plaguing me. I turned on my opening reference in my complex profile and sure enough it was way out in front of my Waincoting (skirting). Problem solved. Thanks