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Hello, we will come to your house and we will check your computer.

laembert — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 23:12:00 GMT

Have you read licence agreement with Graphisoft? So you will not be surprised by their self invitation. How long is this unbelievable audacity with search warrant in license agreement?

Excerpt from License Agreement:

7. Audit. You hereby agree that - in addition to any other license compliance checking set forth in this Agreement or elsewhere - Graphisoft has the right to carry out remote, electronic audit and/or physical audit by visiting You at the premises where You use the Software upon seven (7) days prior written notice in order to check Your records, systems, facilities to verify that Your use of the Software is fully in line with the provisions of this Agreement and with the applicable rules of law. Graphisoft may also appoint a third party to exercise its audit rights. You hereby agree to fully cooperate with Graphisoft in order to successfully perform the audit among others by providing Graphisoft with all requested information and documents. You also ensure to bring your use of the software in line with this Agreement (including but not limited to due payment of the applicable fees, acceptance of license terms, etc.) as contained in the result of the audit. In case of any non-compliances revealed by the audit related to your use of the software You shall reimburse the fees to Graphisoft arising from the performance of the audit at Graphisoft.

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laembert — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:03:41 GMT

7. Audit. You hereby agree that - in addition to any other license compliance checking set forth in this Agreement or elsewhere - Graphisoft has the right to carry out remote, electronic audit and/or physical audit by visiting You at the premises where You use the Software upon seven (7) days prior written notice in order to check Your records, systems, facilities to verify that Your use of the Software is fully in line with the provisions of this Agreement and with the applicable rules of law. Graphisoft may also appoint a third party to exercise its audit rights. You hereby agree to fully cooperate with Graphisoft in order to successfully perform the audit among others by providing Graphisoft with all requested information and documents. You also ensure to bring your use of the software in line with this Agreement (including but not limited to due payment of the applicable fees, acceptance of license terms, etc.) as contained in the result of the audit. In case of any non-compliances revealed by the audit related to your use of the software You shall reimburse the fees to Graphisoft arising from the performance of the audit at Graphisoft.

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Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:16:20 GMT

Thank you @laembert for posting this. For everyone, here is where that paragraph 7 comes from:

https://graphisoft.com/legal/license-agreements/archicad

I’ve never noticed this, and cannot believe it is legal… not only the physical premise visit authorization but that we, the customer, would have to reimburse Graphisoft for their (unlikely but) invasive visit.

Frankly, I would advise any potential new customers to look elsewhere for software unless that section of the agreement is removed. I’m wondering now to read what else is in this agreement that we agree to via checkbox…

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Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 22:57:06 GMT

Another surprise in the revised (since I last read it some time ago) license agreement. For Commercial Licenses, it states:

4.1.1.2. The Commercial Mode is limited in time as determined by Graphisoft.

...which states that those of us (most of us) with perpetual licenses could find that Graphisoft arbitrarily decides that they are not really perpetual. [That cannot be the intent? But rather that Graphisoft has clueless lawyers working for them?]

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James Murray — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 22:53:59 GMT

If Graphisoft would like to offer a survey about this EULA provision, perhaps upon quitting the application, I would gladly fill it out. 🤗

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jl_lt — Tue, 23 Sep 2025 02:36:49 GMT

This is the kind of things one expects from Autodesk, not Graphidesk... that is, graphisoft. But yeah, ill have cookies and milk waiting for you guys in case you want to pay a visit

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torben_wadlinger — Sat, 19 Oct 2024 06:39:03 GMT

I think that’s the "don’t pirate" section. But there is no way that any GS employee has the right to enter your office and examine your computer without a search warrant.

but you’re all right. These paragraphs should never be in the license agreement in the first place.

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laembert — Sat, 19 Oct 2024 07:14:09 GMT

Of course it is antipirate, but unbelievable humiliating. They do not see us as partners, but cash cows.

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laembert — Sat, 19 Oct 2024 07:16:05 GMT

They want to force us to subscription, so kill switch is propably already prepared. Quietly and sneaky.

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laembert — Sat, 19 Oct 2024 07:23:29 GMT

Did you click I agree in installation process? You gave him the right already. And not only to them, but to anybody Graphisoft empowers.

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torben_wadlinger — Sat, 19 Oct 2024 11:39:54 GMT

Because it is written down in the License Agreement and accepted during installation doesn’t mean that this paragraph is legal.

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laembert — Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:00:58 GMT

You agreed. If you don't complain, GS will deactivate your licenses and take you to the Hungarian court. You also agreed to that.

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Lingwisyer — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 03:26:30 GMT

That would be your local court, not the Hungarian one, unless that is your local court. I feel like the EU would have a field day if that did happen though. Also, the reimbursement is only in the case using pirated software.

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mthd — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:52:37 GMT

Legal action taken against CAD/BIM software vendors for not keeping perpetual licenses fully perpetual and upgradable is very likely to occur. Even a class action against these very greedy companies who want far too much money for hardly any new features.

These companies want to lay down the law with the consumers of the software and now the consumers wants protection from greedy exploitation.

That is all part and parcel of being in big business as we all know. If you deal fairly with your customers they will stay on and if not they will go elsewhere for business, no matter what they are selling them.

Live by principle and not just law if you want people to be loyal to your company.

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laembert — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:32:47 GMT

EU help.. that is not legal.. so why all this is in license agreement of billion dollar company? It will be their $$$ lawyers against yours. You do not have to pirate software. You gave them rights to check your property and records to ensure them that you do not pirate archicad. Their suspision is sufficient for this procedure.

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Lingwisyer — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 08:23:58 GMT

Field day over perpetual licence deactivation, which would lead to class actions, not the audit. Though the Autodesk one did not really work out, but that was in the US court... One reason to have a hardware licence over a software one.

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Botonis — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 08:26:05 GMT

It would really be a funny moment, being at the beach with a laptop, with Archicad 28 installed, drinking my coctail and having a

couple of Graphisoft's Men in Black, checking whether my codemeter is installed.

Can't wait.....

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Lingwisyer — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 08:30:41 GMT

We got audited once back in the AC13 or 14 days. Wonder how much it costs them.

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laembert — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:04:10 GMT

You comply or paragraph will be applied 4.1.1.2. The Commercial Mode is limited in time as determined by Graphisoft. They just switch your licence off.

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laembert — Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:14:49 GMT

If they found any license violations, it didn't cost them anything, the user pays. (In case of any non-compliances revealed by the audit related to your use of the software You shall reimburse the fees to Graphisoft arising from the performance of the audit at Graphisoft.) And violate EULA is pretty simple, they are deliberately written so, look at autodesk.