topic Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17? in Sustainable design

Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 08:22:10 GMT

Has anyone got the ecodesigner star to work with archicad 17 by installing the hot fix #5?

Installed the hot fix but opened the program but not installed.

Would like to know how it is installed?

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Barry Kelly — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:33:01 GMT

You need to purchase a license for Ecodesigner*.
Only the basic Ecodesigner is include in the Archicad program.
Barry.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:13:14 GMT

I have an educatonal license but do i need the full license to work with Ecodesigner*?

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:19:09 GMT

I think so.
You need to have a FULL AC17 version licence, and you also need an EcoDesigner Star licence.
I assume Ecodesigner Star might become available also for the EDU version in the future on myarchicad.com, but not now. EcoDesigner Star only got released for the first few languages.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Anonymous — Fri, 07 Feb 2014 15:57:38 GMT

My ArchiCAD rep advised me yesterday that the EcoDesigner Star add-on will be priced at $2,495 (discounted to $2,246 if you purchased the EcoDesigner add-on a few years ago).
OUCH !
Was hoping to be able to jump on it…not sure now. Sure has some nice features but….

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Jere — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 16:46:27 GMT

I got the same numbers. If you bundle it with a new license, I think it goes down to $1000.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Anonymous — Sun, 09 Feb 2014 03:58:13 GMT

Jere,
Any word on whether Graphisoft will bundle it with the ArchiCAD 18 update later this year (for those of us who already have a license) ?

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:14:23 GMT

Apparently the latest hotfix 6 (5019) allows Ecodesigner* to run in trial mode.

Release Notes for ArchiCAD 17 Hotfix Build 5019

This Hotfix makes the trial functions of EcoDesigner STAR available in countries where the product is available (United Kingdom, Ireland, USA, Canada, Australia and Sweden).

I don't know if it will work with the EDU version but I don't see why not.
But it will be just a trial so you may not be able to save anything (or it may be time limited).

Barry.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:18:34 GMT

Yes it will work with EDU version apparently.

http://www.graphisoft.com/archicad/ecodesigner_star/

Barry.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Barry Kelly — Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:46:46 GMT

Actually I am confused myself.
The previous image I posted says ED* is an add-on although the attached image here clearly says it is not an add-on and you need to purchase a licence to activate it.
That's fine I get the license bit.

But how do you activate the trial of ED* without a license?
The standard ED has always been a part of Archicad 17 so why do we need hotfix 6 to activate a trial?
I see nothing except the standard ED with the latest hotfix.
And I see nothing in MyArchicad to download a trial license.

Barry.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:34:49 GMT

davidbitter wrote:
My ArchiCAD rep advised me yesterday that the EcoDesigner Star add-on will be priced at $2,495 (discounted to $2,246 if you purchased the EcoDesigner add-on a few years ago).
OUCH !
Was hoping to be able to jump on it…not sure now. Sure has some nice features but….

I wish aside from having a set of nice features EcoDesigner actually worked. It has so many bugs and inconsistencies in calculations, that I wonder if Graphisoft actually has any quality assurance people on staff.

It takes a lot of effort to make something like ArchiCad or EcoDesigner, but if a company (Graphisoft) has no people to finish this complex work with an extensive quality assurance run - it all goes to waste.

My opinion, that it is simply irresponsible to release EcoDesigner the way it functions right now, much less charge half of ArchiCad's license price for it.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

gpowless — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 12:06:12 GMT

Its lack of certification under LEEDS, EnerStar, Ashrae or HRAI kills any potential it might have had in North America. The resulting numbers are so out of whack I can't use any part of the built-in Ecodesigner to help completing simple residential heat loss / gain. It is useless as far as I am concerned.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

Anonymous — Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:00:03 GMT

gpowless wrote:
Its lack of certification under LEEDS, EnerStar, Ashrae or HRAI kills any potential it might have had in North America. The resulting numbers are so out of whack I can't use any part of the built-in Ecodesigner to help completing simple residential heat loss / gain. It is useless as far as I am concerned.

You know, the interesting thing is that EcoDesigner, in reality, is an immensely powerful software capable of being truly useful as well as fully standard-compliant. However, lack of attention in regards to actually making it work on the part of Graphisoft is astounding.

I wish I could afford to be this careless with my projects.

As ArchiCAD power user since mid 1990's this saddens me a great deal. I am proficient with just about any BIM application out there, but ArchiCAD has a special place in my heart since I first saw it during a version 4.1 presentation back in 1991.

Yet, I am constantly fixing errors and augmenting Graphisoft's work for the past 20 years to make this software work on my end. EcoDesigner is not an exception ether.

Honestly, most fixes are very simple, but there are some that are hardcoded into the executable files and I can't fix those .

I wish I knew why Graphisoft actually makes such blatant omissions. They are so easy to avoid if you just have a decent quality assurance personnel on staff capable of comprehending ArchiCAD as a whole.

Re: Is Eco designer star working with A17?

gpowless — Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:58:25 GMT

"I wish I knew why Graphisoft actually makes such blatant omissions."

It is because they have programmers imitating architecture instead of architects writing programs.

That aside, EcoDesigner isn't that powerful - it is way too complicated to be powerful. I too have been using Archicad since 6.0 and currently use a homemade spreadsheet to complete heat loss / gain for residential (I know not too difficult) However, integrated with that are the duct sizing calculations and ventilation duct sizing as well as shading, solar gains and even latent gains (not needed in residential but useful for evaluation purposes). While EcoDesigner could be useful, I can't even get an accurate industry-standard U-coefficient out of a composite wall. Believe me I have tried, if only for the purposes of doing the measurement portion of the heat loss / gain.

In order to be useful it must meet the requirements of HotCan 2000 in Canada or ASHRAE 90.1. Until it does it will be useless to most in North America.