topic Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis?? in Visualization

How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 10:17:34 GMT

Is there a way to get this kind of "clay" or "plastic" render out of Artlantis or ArchiCAD? I know the bigger programs, such as 3DS or Modo can do it with global illumination...didn't know if there was a way to do it or not.

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Thomas Holm — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:28:06 GMT

Oooo!
I know this is off topic, but I had one of those... it must be exactly 40 years ago... it could do loooong exposures, night shots, whatever, it worked tremedously fine until it broke... nor the most sturdy construction I've seen.

Sorry... dream time...

Edited:
I'd guess, in Artlantis, if you just assign every part of it a matte gypsum-like shader, it should be a piece of cake. Er... or not... but easy, anyway.

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:32:33 GMT

Does this help you?

http://www.artlantis.com/index.php?page=support/forum/read&mes=10667&fid=atl_general_us

Sjaak

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:51:03 GMT

Ah yes! I had forgtten about that threat..I was actually the one who began it as well. I could never seem to reproduce the results, however that was back when I just started with Artlantis, so I will give it another go now that I have a bit more experience and understanding under my belt (thanks Dwight!)

I will post my results sometime today.

Thanks so much!

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:44:13 GMT

Heres my first attempt...fairly close to what I was hoping for. My only issue is the shadow "rays" from so many lights...any idea how to smooth that out?

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Dwight — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:57:51 GMT

Here's a variation on the absolutely neutral solution.

And I made the surfaces quite grey.....

As for shadows in your valleys - maybe you could make the surfaces glow slightly?? Are you sure you have turned off the shadows in the heliodon??

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:06:59 GMT

Heres with the same settings minus the post-processing brightness, which is doe in photoshop instead...

I actually turned the heliodon off for these..it was giving me a far too bright and sharp image, even with power all the way down and softest shadows.

I think this one is very close to what I want...Ill be able to know better once we get our project massed and in here, close up.

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:20:40 GMT

This is clay render . . .
artlantis is fast but its radiocity is terrible
GI terrible
But we have speed
I wish that i can get higher quality images in artlantis, i can wait more for that... i can whait for better images
This is Vray.

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:31:44 GMT

NeckoFromSarajevo wrote:
artlantis is fast but its radiocity is terrible

Could you illustrate what you find so bad, Necko? (2.0.3 was generally fine; the initial 2.1 which has been temporarily pulled had some bugs.)

Cheers,
Karl

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:33:09 GMT

Karl wrote:
NeckoFromSarajevo wrote:
artlantis is fast but its radiocity is terrible
Could you illustrate what you find so bad, Necko? (2.0.3 was generally fine; the initial 2.1 which has been temporarily pulled had some bugs.)

Cheers,
Karl

My problem is that i cant control quality of shadows, i always loved clay renders and especialy renders with GI without sun . . . Everything i do i get very poor shadows results and i cant make it better. I wish that i have possibility to choose between quality and speed...
I love Artlantis, fast, time saver, simple...
But sometimes i miss higher quality (mostly time) but i can live without that.
My favorite program was lightscape...It was simple, fast, good quality renders, ies support etc.
Im architect and i dont have time to loose on creating stunning 3d images, but with artlantis everything is finished before i drink my coffy and i just say that i can whait longer for better quality
artlantis is TOO FAST

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Dwight — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:07:49 GMT

With all due respect, perhaps some time spent manually tweaking the file could detract from Artlantis being "too fast."

In researching my book, the guys i interviewed were, without exception, guys who used evenings, coffee breaks and long periods of unemployment to experiment.

For instance, I've had good success using aerial fog and cloud cover to make better shadows for those clay model images...... features that aren't obvious props to be used to get diffused sunlight......

just a suggestion.

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Dwight — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:09:06 GMT

BTW: blobbly surfaces usually indicate radiosity set too high.

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 13:10:01 GMT

...for me indicates a big bug

...if the setting is there, is to give an accurate result, not a buggy one.

abvent really needs to bet on new radiosity engine for the future....it is their main problem for the moment.

And if they want to be on the market in the next year / years....it is not only about the quality they have to concern...

they have to check, network render, professional shaders / textures editing.....

- 3d displacement,

- ies

- better sky / cloud tool, with realistic colours (not that always blue gree, effect)

- radiosity settings, samples, photons, etc, etc

- ambient occlusion ( a real one, not a fake)

- more animated objects

- support for 3ds max (not only 3ds objects)

and many things...

it is not hard to do it, really, they just have to focus on the real matter and can mantain at the same the easy of use, the interface....but the real goal must be PROFESSIONAL quality, not amateur or intermediate...

If that dream happens, then we would be really talking on a market leader.

best regards

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:59:31 GMT

Hi Necko,

Thanks for posting those images ... which certainly do not represent Artlantis in my view ... it is almost hard work to make the shadows and surfaces look so bad. (Artlantis 2.1 did/does have some new bugs, which is why that update was removed from the web site.)

Given the tiny size of the model that you posted (two cubes) - could you save it as an Artlantis archive and zip that up to post here? And, post a rendering of those same cubes from Vray to show what you want to see, so Dwight, I and others can do apples to apples.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: How to do this in AC or Artlantis??

Anonymous — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 05:28:19 GMT

Karl wrote:
Hi Necko,

Thanks for posting those images ... which certainly do not represent Artlantis in my view ... it is almost hard work to make the shadows and surfaces look so bad. (Artlantis 2.1 did/does have some new bugs, which is why that update was removed from the web site.)

Given the tiny size of the model that you posted (two cubes) - could you save it as an Artlantis archive and zip that up to post here? And, post a rendering of those same cubes from Vray to show what you want to see, so Dwight, I and others can do apples to apples.

Cheers,
Karl

Ok, i will do it later today, this render i did in Vray. . . I didnt do any ajdustments. . . Create geometric shapes and render it. No after edit in photohop or something sim...

I love artlantis but i miss more quality !

I will post some render test of same geometric in vray and sketchup . . .