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Archicad or photoshop?

Aime — Thu, 11 May 2023 12:37:19 GMT

I am currently working on a painting scheme for this project. it was drawn in my pre-archicad days but client wants a paint study to enable make up his mind. The question is this would it be better done in photoshop or would an archicad model do the job? I'm not very conversant with photoshop but I wonder if it would be faster - the AC model is taking much time than expected. or is there a better way to achieve this?
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Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Dwight — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:20:02 GMT

ten minutes in Photoshop.

You lasso or path-define your area selections and place new colors using the "color" blending mode, so that underlying buildling details aren't obscured..

Can't touch that any other way.

Photoshop Express now free.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:59:41 GMT

If you're just doing the colour scheme then way easier to do it in photoshop - and it's the best way of learning photoshop as well, at least it was for me. there are tons of photoshop tutorial websites - psdtuts.com is a good start.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 08:19:25 GMT

Definitely Photoshop!

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Aime — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:27:44 GMT

So photoshop it is. Would check out the tutorial website and photoshop express.

..so that underlying buildling details aren't obscured..

I actually want the flat walls to be to covered with opaque paint while the stone tiles retain their relief but not their colour. I hope this can be achieved with photoshop ..easily.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Dwight — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:33:08 GMT

Sure. The usual mode is "normal" - like an opaque paint.

But: you don't necessarily want this even if you want to cover the walls - vary the opacity of the paint to let something show through or the building will not model correctly.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Stress Co_ — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:43:34 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Photoshop Express now free.

Any idea how Photoshop Express compares with Photoshop Elements? ($89.99 USD retail).
Is that a "strait" fascia?

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Dwight — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:59:54 GMT

It costs almost $90.00 less.

Looks like it is aimed at photo retouch people wooed by other free stuff -- like usual.

http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1600

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2007/09/photoshop_expre.html

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopexpress/

I am considered funny not because i have a strait fascia but because I have a rubber fascia.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:51:18 GMT

Since Aime wants to try several color variations - does Express or Elements allow saving of all of the different masks for the various surfaces as you might do in the full product (or in Piranesi)? Without that, it could be somewhat tedious to repaint the variations - although I suppose you could just use magic wand on the painting layers. Duh...

Re: opaque - Aime, while you would want opaque to hide the construction issues in the flat walls - if you paint opaquely, you will lose the blend of the shadows...and so will have to repaint your shadows.

Karl

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Dwight — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:06:09 GMT

How good does this have to be?

I hate to be the luddite, but have you considered prismacolor?

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Aime — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:51:09 GMT

Dwight said

but have you considered prismacolor?

Haven't touched one of those for quite some time. Client is expecting something close to reality and I have to deliver. Like I said earlier, 've done a bit of work on AC 8.1 and touched it up in Artlantis 4.5. I know there's still work to do but wouldn't mind your comments at this stage. thanks

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Dwight — Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:11:07 GMT

All this for lime chiffon?

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Aime — Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:43:31 GMT

Dwight wrote:

All this for lime chiffon?

Please can you be more elaborate? I will appreciate your concise and clear opinion. Thanks.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Anonymous — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:36:07 GMT

Since you already have a decent model at hand....I'd probably do the painting schemes straight off of archicad. Create a set of jpegs that would represent each of your color schemes so that you can change them accordingly in the materials settings dialog box using textures.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Anonymous — Sat, 24 May 2008 21:50:27 GMT

NAW!
no need for 3d model unless you need to explore or move in 3d for it, or will be rebuilding something.

3d = tons of time and energy with materials etc (but if you've already done it...)
PLUS TONS OF TIME rendering

rather
take the photos and tinker with them in photoshop with layers for the areas you want to change, plus put the shadows on a filter layer over all the above, then just duplicate the layers for color changes and have a good time with it!

TIP: Learn the keyboard shortcuts to the commands you'll be using, even if you're only going to spend a week with the software- it simply will save you a ton of clicking and time and effort. This ought to only take about 3-4 hours to do professional quality with every color under the rainbow (and a gig of space for the image). you can even scroll through the layers in front of the client and switch the colors till their eyes light up.
Photoshop 100% -even version 8 or 9 will work absolutely fine.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Djordje — Tue, 27 May 2008 17:27:08 GMT

Photoshop, definitely.

Especially when you need three angles, now.

Not.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Anonymous — Tue, 27 May 2008 21:08:07 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Photoshop, definitely.

Especially when you need three angles, now.

Not.

Ummm... where did he say he needs 3 angles, like now???
I am assuming you're being sarcastic- sounds like it.

Djordje, have you used photoshop, esp. extensively? It is vastly easier to master, esp. for a new person who is having troubles doing color change-renders on a building for a single facade view that needs no 3d than something like achiCAD or any other CAD software and rendering package. For sure it is absolutely the solution for this paint scheme changing for one view on a building for a possibly picky client. With the layer adjustments and hue setting, one can make about 4-5 layers and manipulate them in real-time even with a shortcut and the mouse, for ANY color combination under the rainbow- until your client is happy. The ONLY tricky part is cropping the areas (20 minuntes of work) that you don't want to change colors, from the color layers, and the other tricky part is making a shadow layer (a simple B&W/greyscale mostly opaque layer on the top that is locked- it will keep the shadows all the time and "tint" whatever colors you change to keep the realistic "look").

It does not get any simpler than that.

I used to help admin a server forums for 3d modeling and mapping. We used to have to deal with cheeky hackers all the time. Before I became an admin I used to really get tired of them, but simply I didn't want to get banned by an admin for standing up to someone who wasn't on-par with their advice or input.

I've been using adobe since they first released their software, over 20 years ago.

Photoshop, or spend way senseless time modeling something you'll never need to have in 3d, now or ever. Unless of course, you neglected to tell us that you DO need it in 3d, in which case, Djordje is right (if he is being sarcastic), and us photoshopping recommenders are all wrong.

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Djordje — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:34:01 GMT

JP-Design wrote:
Photoshop, or spend way senseless time modeling something you'll never need to have in 3d, now or ever. Unless of course, you neglected to tell us that you DO need it in 3d, in which case, Djordje is right (if he is being sarcastic), and us photoshopping recommenders are all wrong.

Nothing wrong with Photoshop, especially when used with knowledge and appropriately. Everything wrong when cutouts are plastered all over an oversaturated rendering with wrong size, proportion, shadows, you name it.

From an architect's point of view, especially one who uses Archicad as intended - modeling to produce construction documents. In that scenario, "something you don't need in 3D" does not exist - even as a fill.

Therefore, Photoshop yes, on finished images. Not as a tool to replace model/design/finishes variation. The problem is - people too often choose the "quick" and definitely dirty way to achieve a deadline, thereby killing all the upcoming ones.

A matter of approach ...

Re: Archicad or photoshop?

Anonymous — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:12:35 GMT

Benjamin Moore Paint Co. makes a $ 10.00 (?) program that might be all you need for this. It's a bit crude but uses their official color palette. Basically, it works like a fill in Archicad. It's been updated since I used it last.

According to their FAQ, Windows Vista and Mac OS 10.5 Leopard are not yet supported.

http://www.benjaminmoore.com:80/bmpsweb/portals/bmps.portal?_nfpb=true&_windowLabel=sidebarportlet_1_6&sidebarportlet_1_6_actionOverride=%2Fbm%2Fcms%2FContentRenderer%2FselectSideBarArticle&sidebarportlet_1_6isNonSecure=true&sidebarportlet_1_6NodeUUID=%2FBEA+Repository%2F30001&_pageLabel=fa_colordirection