topic Re: Real time 3d Presentations in Visualization

Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 10:31:26 GMT

We are currently preparing to set up an independant Large screen presentation area for clients to view their new designs.

At the moment I generally take my laptop in to each meeting and spin the model round for them to view.

I have tried zermatt and like the speed (especially to save an independant file) rather than have to fully render.....but....

Is there anything else worth pursuing.
We'd prefer not to fully render for hours - But we want quality if possible
We need quality presentation that can be "HANDLED" by our personnel for presentations rather than a few dedicated CAD staff.
We need a simple save and run process

Is there anything else out there worth looking at
PDF U3d is a little primitive
Archishock is good interface fpr simple use but low quality
Zermatt looked ok but who knows what is going on with EON software ?

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

stefan — Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:40:51 GMT

Try VRML files and a VRML browser. You can run around VRML models (provided they are on the correct scale) including gravity and collision detection. You can use browsers such as Blaxxun Contact http://www.blaxxun.com or Cortona http://www.parallelgraphics.com/products/cortona/

The VRML export from ArchiCAD is not always correct, so you might get better results with a 3ds file which is then converted to VRML using conversion software such as Deep Exploration http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/ , 3DWin http://www.tb-software.com/, Polytrans http://www.okino.com etc...

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 02:07:39 GMT

In 10 there is the new walk through thingy - but like most things in ArchiCAD these days it is only half-way there! Why we cannot set up paths to replay - or record a path as we travel through the model......

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:15:45 GMT

I often export the model as a 3ds, then I load the 3ds into Cinema4D - tweek a few settings, establist a center origin, and export as VRML2.

Then the program Wirefusion, allows a fast 3D model that can be presented with a web browser and posted on the web for all to see.

http://www.demicron.com/wirefusion/

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:45:51 GMT

Hi Burginger.

I remember your thread quite a while ago on wirefusion...
But I am trying to simplify the system for our team so that we can prepare something fairly straightforward for our clients to view....and for our team to be able to operate effectively.
I am concerned about utilising so many ins and outs via software.

Maybe it's just best to do a quick fly round under lightworks and leave it at that......I'm just not sure....
Any ideas on the quickest and best method for such...
I'd rather end up with a Windows media player file
Which codec is best for display on a large format LCD.
We will be keeping all in house - no web transfer required so size is not a major problem here

Any and all suggstions appreciated

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:06:48 GMT

I cannot test it, because I am Mac based. There is the new UDF - PDF file format in AC10. Perhaps someone else can chime in on that.

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Nuge — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:26:07 GMT

I have been using Zermatt for the last year and love it, the best thing is that you can give the client a file which does not require any other software to run it, you can also record movies or "paths" which can play at the start of a presentation. I have just had the update for AC10 which seems faster and more stable and am looking forward to V2.0 with radiosity.

Its a shame that it uses the opengl textures and not the lightworks shaders but you cant have it all

I suggest you download the demo and give it a try

Nuge

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Richard Morrison — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 04:47:27 GMT

A series of linked Quicktime panoramas, perhaps using Meander, is very quick to generate, is cross-platform, and lets you control what the client sees, yet gives them a sense of "control" in the viewing. I like Art*lantis for generating this, but plain old AC works fine, too.

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 05:55:11 GMT

What's the latest on Zermatt 2 ?
I noted the post regarding the "Up and COMING " ver 2.0 with radiosity
Have you heard anything at all ?
And....how much is Zermatt these days

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Nuge — Sat, 26 Aug 2006 08:34:56 GMT

I just received this e-mail regarding Zermatt 2.0

"Thank you for your interest in Zermatt 2.0

As we get closer to a final product we would like to know
what computer configuration you have in order to further
optimize Zermatt.

We have released a test program for this purpose, which
will generate an e-mail with information that describe the
rendering capabilites of your computer.

http://www.zermatt.se/systemtest.html

Thank you for providing this useful information.

Zermatt AB Sweden

Other than this i have heard nothing other than it should be released mid september but who knows!!

I paid $500 NZD about 1 year ago, which seemed excessive at the time but i wouldn't be without it know

Cheers Nuge

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 04:35:48 GMT

I just checked out Bentley's web site.

http://www.bentley.com/en-US/Products/MicroStation/Interactive+3D+PDF.htm

They show their customers what the Interactive 3D within a PDF function can create. Where is this type of information on the GraphiSoft web site?

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Rafal SLEK — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:14:57 GMT

Burginger wrote:
Where is this type of information on the GraphiSoft web site?

Look into AC10 New features.pdf guide page 58. It is one of the 10.000 new features so the GS web site overlook it as insignificant...

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:16:41 GMT

Yeh i saw these also Burginger but the interface is sadly not up to scratch and quite frankly zermatt knocks it dead - I haven't seen the latest of zermatt but I'd like minimal PEOPLE involvement in playback and when I saw zermatts motion it was a little clunky.....even given the real time Opengl enviro.
Hmmmm this is getting troublesome as we are about to spend some serious bucks on a presentation panel in the conference room with attached PC and DVD.....I've just got to come up with the presentation and interface...
I have to try a standard rendered flythru again I think

Hey is Zermatt available for ARCHI 10 yet ?

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Rafal SLEK — Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:37:43 GMT

...A series of linked Quicktime panoramas, perhaps using Meander

Meander is dead (it was kind of QT variation so it isn't so painful).
QuickTime panoramas do the same as Zermatt engine, maybe not so fast and easy - but you got high quality rendering (with LW shaders and lights) instead OpenGL preview. Zermatt got nice options for exploration games-like .

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

David Collins — Fri, 01 Sep 2006 06:33:40 GMT

Rafal wrote:
Meander is dead ....

Meander will not be missed. It made any QTVR presentation look stupid.

The u3d interface is clunky. It feels like you're trying to look at a tiny model by holding in your feet.

I think that VR panoramas are still one of the best options for presentation. Besides using LW shaders and lights (or Artlantis now with Studio), they are fairly fast and easy to produce, compared to animations. They have a simple interface that allows user involvement and at least the illusion of an immersive virtual environment. And they result in relatively small file sizes in a format even the most RAM-challenged computer can easily recognize and present.

Like animations, the story you're telling needs to be carefully considered and scripted, but I think this form of presentation has always had huge untapped potential. And unlike Zermatt, your client can't go wandering off looking at stuff you'd rather he didn't see just yet...

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:42:54 GMT

Tried to get some news on Zermatt, and when I visited their site, the following was shown;

ANNOUNCEMENT

Zermatt is no longer supported or maintained
Due to our inability to properly maintain the software and provide service to customers, it has been
decided that Zermatt will no longer be developed, maintained or supported. Current license owners
will still be able to activate and use the current versions of their product via the reqistration dialog.

Contacting Zermatt
Click here to post general questions, we will do our best to get back to you

Does anyone know anything else about this? Was hoping to use Zermatt with AC 11.
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Zx14 Vs Hayabusa

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Djordje — Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:21:52 GMT

Zermatt is not developed any more. Try Vitruvian Studio.

Re: Real time 3d Presentations

Anonymous — Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:31:04 GMT

Finally, an updated Shockwave Macromedia/Adobe Director 11 is out, with support for hardware rendering of 3D scenes. Maybe worth checking out www.adobe.com/products/director/ ?

ArchiShock used to export to Shockwave, but seems like this program is not active anymore.