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Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 10:26:35 GMT

I work archicad 10 and lightworks for rendering after reading users opinions and of course seen the results of your renderings with cinema 4d maxwell and art.lantis tried to change rendering engine...Maxwell and cinema 4d was really hard for me to learn and the results were just funny.Used once in the past art.lantis but didn't have the time to play enough with it.Now its my first serious attempt and its my office.Tried to make it close to the real one.Be honest I'm quite happy with it but i need your opinion and suggestions.I attach the rendering and the real picture! PS. I added the window background with photoshop cause the result with the image as a stretched image background was blurry and absolutely disappointing...excuse my english and thanks in advance!

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Tue, 08 May 2007 22:29:40 GMT

And here is the rendering...I couldnt put them together

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Dwight — Tue, 08 May 2007 23:57:01 GMT

Certainly, the better Maxwellians can make lighting as good as the photograph of the office you posted. I had to look hard....

As for your rendering, which is superior, i have observations:

1: Darkness of brown furniture- very sinister - too dark to reveal form in the image.
2: chromyness of the chair back - should be more matte
3: Desk, chair and potted bush lack shadow connections to the floor.
4: Back corner where shelving hits wall glows too much - should be more in shadow.
5: Relative to the actual photo, you should brighten the background photo to make the oudoors more convincing. The outside world distracts my eye from your story inside.

Keep up the good work!

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Wed, 09 May 2007 07:34:08 GMT

Thanx a lot Dwight.Still dont know how to make the surfaces look the way they should i dont understand that specular/roughness ratio I try to understand how it works but seems like it works differently every time in different surfaces.i think to make the desk look more real i should make its texture dark but more glossy... (i dont know how ) as i dont know how to make the chairs legs dont look like a mirror. Its the same material as the chrome in desks legs and on the desk they look good.

As for your rendering, which is superior, i have observations:

only 5? i would expect more than 18263817629381 especially from you. You made my day!!! By the way, when i put the background image as a stretched image or a motif etch it comes out really funny...Is it the glasss or a bug in the rendering engine and if not how can i resize tha image and put it as a background behind the window? What i did is i ve used the same pixels as the rendering on a white background made in paint with the picture of the outside placed on the right spot to show on the rendered window.I hope my english are good enough for you to understand what im saying there is a sample of the result thats is far from real!!!

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Wed, 09 May 2007 15:58:11 GMT

Im working all day to fix this render.Realised after couple of hours that the background picture is not the problem but the glass in the window in the materials box. I had the archicad glassclear material set to 1.5 transparency and set to glass tranparency.The glas transparency setting makes the background image look they way it looks in my previous post.Looks like a bug to me.Changing the glass transparency setting to air transparency fixed the problem.also tried to make the whole render look better.Waiting for an opinion Im quite huppy but still cant control a lot of things!Thanx in advance and there is the new rendering.

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Thu, 10 May 2007 22:45:44 GMT

My 2 cents. Not worth as much as Dwights, but hope they help:

- I agree, I don't think adding the man was the right choice.

- Add some books/sculpture/something to the cabinet behind the desk.

- The back of your chairs should be the same as the front of the chairs - have a look at how to 'reapply material' in Artlantis.

- Put some pictures into the frames on your wall.

- As Dwight said, the pot plant, desk legs and chair need some shadow to stop them floating.

- Maybe add some blinds to your windows, this will partially solve your background image problems and also stop the distraction of the outside.

But despite all that I think it's a pretty good first render.

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Dwight — Sat, 12 May 2007 19:11:52 GMT

Yes. Adding nonsense figure a bad move.
Does not contribute to a sense of happy story that all renderings need.
Sinister story: Man in jacket = departing burglar.

Just to be really clear, you should add a sack hanging from his arm labeled "SWAG."

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Sun, 13 May 2007 19:16:03 GMT

Hahahaha!!!!!First of all thanx both for your coments and to be honest im thinking to make my renderings a lot worse and post em just to see dwights comments.You are unique my friend...

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Wed, 16 May 2007 18:56:50 GMT

Rendering is always a bit trying this and that.
But some reflection in the floor and chair do a lot, while they have a dominant place in the room. Their are a lot of small items with the eye has to focused on, books, different chairs end pc-screen. The diffuse, distract the viewer of look to the room. Mine opinion.

Try to lose the charpenness of the shadow, i use between 4 and 8.
I don't know what kind of sunlight you use ? Depends also how it's looks like.

After al it's a matter of taste

Some examples

http://www.architectsjury.com/Archicad/best

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Tue, 22 May 2007 17:14:36 GMT

Great renderings

Try to make the floor reflective, that will go a long way to insure your furniture does not float.

Actually, most of the materials reflect, specially in dark conditions (indoors), even those that apparently don´t.

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Tue, 22 May 2007 23:17:23 GMT

There is the new render based on what you ve mentioned.Put some reflection to the glass on the window and reflection on the floor.Looks much better you were right.My problem is that i cant change the objects from artlantis because the archicad model works like one object.So i need to save in archicad a new artlantis file changing the pc screen books etch and the position of the chair that is wrong and disturbs me because a part of the leg is in the desk.Sounds easy but if i will do so i will lose all athe lighting and material settings that took me hours to adjust right. Any sugestions?Whta do you think about the new renedring?
And somethimg else that i always forget to ask.The bowl next to the TV behind the plant is not smooth and looks unreal.Happens to a lot of objects from archicad to artlantis.How do you fix that?

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Tue, 22 May 2007 23:26:40 GMT

I ve just found on the abvent forum how to fix the problem with the bowl.

Re: Artlantis rendering results....need opinion...

Anonymous — Wed, 23 May 2007 01:54:21 GMT

As I said earlier:

Tom wrote:
- The back of your chairs should be the same as the front of the chairs - have a look at how to 'reapply material' in Artlantis.

In Artlantis you can create new materials/shaders and apply them to single planes, parallel planes, or whole objects. In your case, you could select just the backs of your chairs and reapply another material to them, for example, the material used on the front. I'd give you some screen shots of how to do it, but I'm only on Version 4.5 at the moment, and the process is a little different.

Next problem:

So i need to save in archicad a new artlantis file changing the pc screen books etch and the position of the chair that is wrong and disturbs me because a part of the leg is in the desk.Sounds easy but if i will do so i will lose all athe lighting and material settings that took me hours to adjust right.

Solution is in two parts:

Adding things (books, sculptures etc...) the old fashioned way
1 ) In Archicad, add in your bits and pieces.
2 ) Select ONLY the newly added things
3 ) View these things in 3D
4 ) Save as a new artlantis file.
5 ) Open your original artlantis file.
6 ) Go to File -> merge geometry.
7 ) Select the new artlantis file
8 ) it will open 'on top of' your original file, adding all the new bits and pieces to your original scene. The only annoying thing is it adds an extra sun light which you'll need to delete.. It does in v4.5 anyway.

Adding things the new and better way

1) In Archicad view any object, by itself, in a 3D perspective view and save as artlantis.
2) open the artlantis file and under File there is an option to save as artlantis object. This converts your archicad object into a reusable artlantis object. handy.
3) Open your original artlantis file and add the object to your object library - on a mac you drag the object file from the finder into your artlantis object catalogue, not sure how to do it on windows sorry.
4) Once it's in your catalogue you can add and remove and relocate the object as often as you want.

Solution part two - moving the chair

You make the chair into an artlantis object. Very similar to reapplying materials.

1) With your artlantis file open, go the the object tab (the one with the little picture of a cube)
2) Make sure the little slidy draw thing is showing, and click on the arrow. then click on the drop down list beside the arrow (the top option is a blue square) and choose the blue cube (object).
3) In your preview window select all the elements of the chair you want to move and then click the paint bucket icon beside the arrow you clicked before. this turns the chair into an object, which you can now move around.

Hope this helps, sorry i can't give you any screen shots, and the instructions are only as I remember them, I don't have the software in front of me at the moment.

If you need to search more look for :

REAPPLYING MATERIALS

CREATING ARTLANTIS OBJECTS

or someone on the artlantis forum can probably elaborate. Also try watching the tutorial videos on the artlantis website. There are videos for both of these subjects here:

http://www.artlantis.com/community/tutorials/