topic Re: Interior Rendering in Visualization

Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 10:26:14 GMT

Im not very happy with this image.
The left wall is very dark but the furniture is very bright (im using a general light source with some recessed spots).
The ceiling looks better from my previous renderings but still...dont like it.

Any help is welcomed.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 12:29:58 GMT

hello,

I am not a specialist but I guess that what is missing is radiosity (global
illumination). For such thing you (me too by the way) need artlantis R.
May be you can use a fake light source behind your windows (parrallel ray) such windows light in archicad. I am quite sure that specialist here will give you more information (I am also interested)
Cheers
Jean-Luc
PS: however me I like it without radiosity 😉

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 13:06:59 GMT

You don't need radiosity, but you need to know how to setup your lightscene.
My english is too bad for describing it but here is alot of threads that describe very good how to do.

Maybe Dwight soon will be reading this.

Re: Interior Rendering

Dwight — Mon, 28 May 2007 13:24:55 GMT

Typical starter rendering.

- no color in lights! No such thing as white. Light has color: warm and cool.
- Should sun come in the window?
- compose scene to capture the eye: make scene interesting.
- light intensity generally too high.
- use light cone down instead of general light.
- use Undersun™ to brighten ceiling.
- make surfaces rougher and make no white surfaces.
- wall dark since oblique reflection from general light is poor.

More?: Get book.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 13:28:43 GMT

TurboGlider wrote:

Maybe Dwight soon will be reading this.

loool once he read that he will start firing at us!! naaaa..really thanx to his book i am able to do good stuff in ArchiCAD , but still want i think.. is LWRE is good for internal communication.. like explain my design to my mates at company , and even to display it to clients for every day presentations , but when comes to higher level? no... i'll go to ArtLantis

any way , i think we must know how to get Good images using LWRE .

Later Edit : WHAT Dwight post before me!! wooow!! he is types like wind!!

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 13:37:30 GMT

Thanks for answering Dwight but I would like to know
if radiosity is possible with archicad 10 or will be possible
in archicad 11. May be I am wrong but the radiosity effect seems to solve
many problems ?

Re: Interior Rendering

Dwight — Mon, 28 May 2007 13:51:23 GMT

- Don't stop with Artlantis. Artlantis has second-rate surfaces. Go to LightWave or Cinema 4D.

- radiosity does solve many problems, but takes a long time to render. Once you have the right solution in LightWorks, it is faster and can be pretty good. Lightworks requires a better understanding of light behavior.

- Type like wind. haha. I break the wind. Typical problem - typical answer. Just a paste-in.

- No improvement in 11. Leads to overuse of Emoticons.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 13:53:27 GMT

Dwight,

- I should put color in the lights?
- Already used two window lights!
- Will try different light intensitys
- What do you mean about "rougher"?
- How do I resolve the darkness of the wall?

Your book is going to be difficult...I'm in Mozambique!

Regards

Re: Interior Rendering

Dwight — Mon, 28 May 2007 14:02:59 GMT

Your questions require an entire essay that i just do not have the inclination to write.

I ship to Mozambique.
You could have the book by next week.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 14:27:56 GMT

radiosity does solve many problems, but takes a long time to render

- I guess this can be managed with less object. I will see with Artlantis R
US$115.00 is a bit expensive from my point of view. I am agree
to buy a good book about mathematics or physics but I am not sure that equations are explained in yours ?. A pdf version would be quite enough and probably cheaper. Till 70 $ I am agree but here I guess your publisher exaggerate. Mum don't be offended It is just my feeling
Best regards
Jean-Luc

Re: Interior Rendering

Dwight — Mon, 28 May 2007 14:36:15 GMT

Perhaps those who have bought the book might help justify its price.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 14:37:58 GMT

Dwight wrote:
- Don't stop with Artlantis. Artlantis has second-rate surfaces. Go to LightWave or Cinema 4D.

mm.. can i know what do u mean by "second-rate surfaces"?

English is not my native language

but i think Artlantis is quite good.. "actually more" regarding time... setting up the file ... full preview.. and render time ..?

or am i wrong?

I know a little bit about C4D , but i think its waste to use a huge program just for rendering part? and its not that fast and no active preview , and lightwave ? mm.. is it fast as artlantis? never used it actually?

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Mon, 28 May 2007 20:48:59 GMT

whatever wrote:
but i think Artlantis is quite good.. "actually more" regarding time... setting up the file ... full preview.. and render time ..?

A good rendering completed in time for the meeting is much better than a great one that isn't done. (This is why I use ArchiCAD rendering most of the time.) Of course when a great rendering is needed it is just a matter of realistic scheduling.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 06:42:47 GMT

A good rendering completed in time for the meeting is much better than a great one that isn't done

absolutely agree. It is why I am going to use Artlantis R...

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 10:49:19 GMT

Any way .. when it comes to rendering softwares .. i like this part :

some one is looking at a picture and saying... wooow..what software you used for this?
you say "whateverware".. and a little bit of photoshop..

and he will think that this program is perfect!!

well we all know that with 3D max people are doing real cool stuff.. but for me? it was really hard even to install it!!!

and most of the users not getting a real good results.. i know its a perfect thing but no one mention something like .. is it easy to get this?

what i like about artlantis.. is that i met people that couldn't even say the word today " uhh .. what? atlantis? no..its artlantis " and the next day in evening they were having a really good renderings...

well i know that maybe you can't go more far than that.. but for most of architects ... that is more than enough... fast... good " enough" ... easy to learn

any way rendering is an art more than numbers and results!!

and i can remember dwights mother in law idea about rendering!!

Re: Interior Rendering

TomWaltz — Tue, 29 May 2007 12:12:54 GMT

jean-luc wrote:
US$115.00 is a bit expensive from my point of view. I am agree to buy a good book about mathematics or physics but I am not sure that equations are explained in yours ?

No, Dwight's book does not contain complex calculations. Instead, it is a full-color, spiral bound (great for laying flat on the desk) manual with both technical information on what settings do and practical situations where you can apply settings, both for serious photo-real work and for quick-and-dirty renderings.

Try the return on investment calculations: how long will it take you to look something up in Dwight's book (which is the only complete documentation on Archicad's implementation of Lightworks) versus figuring it out yourself.

I'm not sure in your region, but in the Philly area, that's not even 2 billable hours. You could easily spend days doing that yourself without the book. I'd rather spend that time working than guessing at what settings do.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 12:35:35 GMT

which is the only complete documentation on Archicad's implementation of Lightworks)

Yes very important point. It should be therefore in the doc of archicad and free of charge since what is explained in the book is not suitable for another software. Graphisoft makes an interface, we pay for that, so the doc has to be with... point. And finally even if Dwight's book is original and well done the price is-for my point of view again-too expensive.

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 13:40:41 GMT

jean-luc wrote:
the price is-for my point of view again-too expensive.

mm.. i don't know.. i mean for me i wouldn't say that .. although i didn't complete the book , but i could figure at least the lightning part which is the most important for me , and that i couldn't figure anything about by my self since the first version when LWRE implemented .

So for me? i don't think its expensive.. and by the way? the jokes in that book !! man i would pay double only for those

now back to buessines.. if you are not interested .. its ur right!! but its your own point of view and i respect it , and by the way try check graphisoft australia... they have a DVD teaching lightworks in Archicad.. never tried it..but it looks good

Re: Interior Rendering

TomWaltz — Tue, 29 May 2007 15:04:04 GMT

whatever wrote:
jean-luc wrote:
...but i could figure at least the lightning part

I had more problems with getting the thunder and the rainfall to sound right. 😉

try check graphisoft australia... they have a DVD teaching lightworks in Archicad..

Too bad the DVD is even more expensive, at $165!

Re: Interior Rendering

Anonymous — Tue, 29 May 2007 18:59:15 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:

I had more problems with getting the thunder and the rainfall to sound right. 😉

Poor Me!! excuse my english

but a dvd with that price maybe make sense with our friend.. who knows? i am just telling him that there is another source to read about LWRE