topic Re: Cardboard Model in Visualization

Cardboard Model

Robert Fuchs — Thu, 11 May 2023 11:09:26 GMT

I am trying something different with some renderings. I have noticed when we do renderings for our clients at the beginning of a project they get stuck on the colors or materials I have chosen instead of looking at the design. So I have played with an idea of showing off the design without using materials or colors that would throw off a client. What do you guys think? BTW, they were rendered in Artlantis Studio.

Re: Cardboard Model

Robert Fuchs — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:38:31 GMT

image#2

Re: Cardboard Model

Robert Fuchs — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:39:12 GMT

night image

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Robert Fuchs — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:40:14 GMT

Final image

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Rakela Raul — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:05:13 GMT

i really like the one w/o colors

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Ignacio Azpiazu — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 17:47:27 GMT

I think the cardboard virtual model idea is great --it makes it very clear that you are talking massing only. With a single-material rendering that is not model-figurative as cardboard is the problem is that it is never really clear whether it is the model or the building the one that is not meant to have material diversity or texture or color variations.

But what I think is awesome is what you just did in this thread, which is showing at the same time the material-finishes model, same viewpoint, same rendering technique. By doing that you are making the two discussions clearly separate from the start, and bringing them up from the start --it is nice to know early in the process if there may be a problem with the material palette/s you think might do the job and how you are thinking it could be used in your design, and you don't get that from the massing/sketchy model.

Re: Cardboard Model

Robert Fuchs — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:46:19 GMT

Very true Ignacio. Although that single material massing keeps the client looking at the form, you still have to figure out what materials they (or
you as a designer) like on the building. I had not thought about showing the client the massing rendering first and then after that show them some material renderings options. That way the argument of color can be taken care of after the design has been discussed.

Re: Cardboard Model

Richard Morrison — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:26:22 GMT

I like this concept very much. I am finding the daytime ground plane distracting, though, due to the high color saturation. (The nighttime render fixes this, of course.) Maybe something more like chipboard for the ground would help focus attention on the building.

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Rakela Raul — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:02:55 GMT

robert,
now that i read this again i didnt like my comment and i apologize...myself im getting into not showing colors or realistic
anymore unless askd for.....somebody else in our company just
did a rendering (2 days ago) of a church and kind of ..im ok with it..im sharing it if i can load it up.....this is just ac & photoshop
(edit: now that i see this in detail..it seems that artlantis was there also)

Re: Cardboard Model

Robert Fuchs — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:12:21 GMT

Thanks for the comments Richard. Good idea about changing the ground plane to a different material to make the building pop more.

I have attached my first attempt at doing a solid color rendering.
Its kind of a clay look I guess?

BTW Raul, I like the design of your church. In my area its hard to get a building built without it being a metal building. Then you try to dress it up.

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Richard Morrison — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:23:56 GMT

MUCH better!

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Erika Epstein — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:09:56 GMT

Robert,
Really nice series of shots. I've often started with a foam-core looking model for many of the same reasons you and others have discussed. I particularly like what you did showing night as well as day.

Re: Cardboard Model

Link — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:42:11 GMT

This is a concept I promote in my templates - using the foam core model. In fact I set up all of my tool defaults so that each material is set to an element specific material that looks like foam core. As the model is built, it appears as foam core, then later when you know the materials you want to apply, you can simply switch out each material via the Materials dialog or via the Attribute Manager and the whole model updates instantly.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Cardboard Model

Thomas Holm — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:17:57 GMT

I also like the last image better, the first one looks too much like an adobe hut to me. I think the whiter the better, like the first image in this thread:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=102874#102874

The foam core model is of course ideal for this purpose - not distracting the client with premature material issuees.

But Link: Please detail your bulk material switch procedure a little - it seems like a brilliant tip , but I don't follow you completely, and I'm scared of material confusion - I've had too many "missing library part" dialogs in my life!

Re: Cardboard Model

Anonymous — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:53:09 GMT

Thomas wrote:
But Link: Please detail your bulk material switch procedure a little - it seems like a brilliant tip , but I don't follow you completely, and I'm scared of material confusion - I've had too many "missing library part" dialogs in my life!

Thomas, I have done something like that, I could explain the procedure in swedish if you want.

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Rakela Raul — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:39:27 GMT

BTW Raul, I like the design of your church. In my area its hard to get a building built without it being a metal building. Then you try to dress it up.

not my design, not my style...i would have done it the way you did..i was just showing another way departing from the realistic/final/as built presentation.

BTW...i missed the chance to buy MF..would have been the perfect excuse

Re: Cardboard Model

Rick Thompson — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:10:21 GMT

I think the white one works best too. The cardboard tan seems to imply a color, so I would wonder if the client would tend to associate that with dullness, whereas the white is , to me, is clearly presenting without addressing color, just form. Course, when I went to school, we used white foam core for models, which was decades before computer modeling... so I do link back to foam core:)

You could carry it another step, and have a blank rendering, then have them close their eyes and paint a word picture.

This is actually why I present my stock plans in sepia tones. If you throw in color, people can get opinionated and miss the point.

Re: Cardboard Model

Thomas Holm — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:13:55 GMT

Rick wrote:
You could carry it another step, and have a blank rendering, then have them close their eyes and paint a word picture.

That's what I try to make the clients do, for me, before I start sketching!

Re: Cardboard Model

Rick Thompson — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:22:03 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Rick wrote:
You could carry it another step, and have a blank rendering, then have them close their eyes and paint a word picture.
That's what I try to make the clients do, for me, before I start sketching!

I've actually taken it yet another step... I did away with clients

Re: Cardboard Model

Thomas Holm — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:35:37 GMT

Rick wrote:
I've actually taken it yet another step... I did away with clients

Lucky you! But I'm afraid that wouldn't work in this country. Too small a market to make a living out of stock plans, I think. Too easy to pirate - you have to get your bread from the precentage that pay.