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ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 12:24:51 GMT

People,

does anyone know for sure whether ACX will support Lightworks Engine 7.5 that includes radiosity?

Thank you in advance

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Dwight — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 10:47:39 GMT

http://www.graphisoft.com/products/archicad/ac10/demo/

based on announcements, it seems quite sure that it won't.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:17:36 GMT

such a shame...

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

stefan — Tue, 02 May 2006 08:26:11 GMT

chris_pap wrote:
such a shame...

Considering the large focus on improvde modeling and integrating plotmaker, it comes as no surprise...

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 13:38:38 GMT

Why do you keep insisting that ArchiCAD must work as a 3D visualization tool?? why?

ArchiCAD is for Architects that make 3D modeling for BIM purposes, not for showing the client a 3D image.

Use ArchiCAD to really make architectural projects, but for ones who claim radiosity and etc, why don't you just leave the architect business and move on to visualization business....and buy a really software for that...

simple and smart.

regards

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Wed, 03 May 2006 13:40:01 GMT

.....and not for talk about the computer capabilities to make radiosity renders....

......you would have to buy equipment not compatible with a ArchiCAD normal workstation....it's just a question of "what do you want to do for living?"

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Dwight — Wed, 03 May 2006 15:32:57 GMT

Fair enough, but ArchiCAD IS sold as a complete package.
This package SHOULD contain a contemporary rendering capacity.

While I admit that it does mean a change of career to become a competent illustrator, users have a right to expect that capacity from the application.

Furthermore, we are saddled with this difficult, hacked-up lighting strategy as an implementation compromise while full implementation of the LightWorks feature languishes.

Boo.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

TomWaltz — Wed, 03 May 2006 15:48:58 GMT

Retirado wrote:
it's just a question of "what do you want to do for living?"

Get paid lots for doing little. Know anybody hiring for that?

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Mon, 08 May 2006 21:45:06 GMT

ArchiCAD is a design tool first and a document tool second. The problem with AutoCAD is that it is not a design tool. 3D modeling and being able to see "life like'" approximations makes cardboard models, colored elevations, and renderings obsolete for the designer. The fact that I can show a select few of my views to the client is a plus but not the goal. Seeing light quality,
atmosphere, reflection isn't 'eye candy' its part of good design. Because I can create DWG files for use in AutoCAD, there is less room for interpretation by the production staff. BIM contract documents may be the goal for some, but great design is what we should all be striving for.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Tue, 16 May 2006 09:14:58 GMT

Tom Walts,

If i know anybody???......in the current days i see more and more architects using the knowledge of professional 3D companies. If you want to be on top you can't to professional renders...

In my opinion is a actual and future business......

A lot of my ArchiCAD clients send their models to companies who really know how to make professional renderings and animation....

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Tue, 16 May 2006 16:28:40 GMT

And there is much more companies that need professional rendering out of the box. Not every project budget allows to use professionals to do renderings and animation, but if you want to be on top in your area you have to give your customers better and better products - including renderings.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Ignacio Azpiazu — Fri, 19 May 2006 04:15:21 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Fair enough, but ArchiCAD IS sold as a complete package.
This package SHOULD contain a contemporary rendering capacity.

My initial thought was 'well, then ArchiCAD would have to cost about as much as ArchiCAD + Artlantis (say, a 30% increase in its cost-per-year), and since not every ArchiCAD user today cares about rendering, or caring about rendering actually prefers Artlantis, that would hurt ArchiCAD by rising its price in order to include a feature only a small part of its user base would value --it would hurt a lot and benefit a little'.

But upon closer inspection of that reasoning, I started wondering if maybe precisely because today not all ArchiCAD users are Artlantis purchasers Graphisoft and Abvent could reach a deal that would make sense for both. If the annual cost of ArchiCAD price went up by say 15% and ArchiCAD included the functionality of Artlantis R out of the box, maybe Abvent could make more money from its ArchiCAD user base than it does now. And a 15% increase in exchange for out of the box Artlantis R functionality I think would be more than justified for every user.

Then of course I figure Revit could want to get a similar deal from Abvent. Which would mean even more money for Abvent. Unless Graphisoft or Revit wants an exclusive deal. Which is a discussion Abvent may not want to go into. And also because they would have to be somehow involved in the integration process --a bad integration would kill the benefits of integration, and the user who has already 'paid for' Artlantis R in a messed up CAD package would go for some other rendering package instead of purchasing an Artlantis standalone. So probably it makes more sense to keep Artlantis marketing identity etc.

I think I have come to agree with myself.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Anonymous — Fri, 19 May 2006 09:46:48 GMT

Just to make Abvent/Graphisoft relationship a little clearer:

From their site http://www.abvent.com/community/survey/results_survey_detail.php?id_sondage=1

"Question 21 - My favorite modeler is

A : ArchiCAD : 100
B : AutoCAD : 6
C : VectorWorks : 12
D : Revit : 1
E : Chief Architect : 0
F : SketchUp : 35
G : Arc+ : 6
H : Allplan : 1
O : Other… : 10"

100 from 171 users, in this particular survey, use Archicad to model and ArtLantis to render.

Meaning 71 don´t.

Meaning 42% of ArtLantis users don´t care for AC, which I guess would be a good reason for Abvent to remain independent.

Re: ArchiCAD 10 and Lightworks (radiosity?)

Thomas Holm — Fri, 19 May 2006 13:29:58 GMT

Ignacio wrote:
I think I have come to agree with myself.

Nice. Internal conflicts are the worst 😉

I would be completely content if Graphisoft offered Lightworks Radiosity as an additional download for a decent price. Then we'd have a choice, and Artlantis could use some healthy competition, even if I don't want to drive them out of business. /Where are the R docs???/