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Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 10:34:43 GMT

can anyone tell me which version of artlantis should i use
i dont know which one does what and which should i buy?
i have ARTLANTIS 4.5 and Im waiting for v. 5.0
but i heard that there are versions like ArtLantis R and ArtLantis classic
what are all these and which one should i use?
is there a version that compines all these?

thank you

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Eduardo Rolon — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:39:24 GMT

AFAIK Art4.5= classic ant Art5= Artlatis R and there is a possible Artlantis Studio that has the Radiosity of R and lets you do animations. The main difference between 4.5 and R is that R does not do animation and 4.5 does.

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:53:04 GMT

i thought that artlantis 5 is just an upgrade for 4.5
anyway i ve already ordered it so lets hope is similar to 4.5

thanks for your time

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:27:25 GMT

WENDY_NEVERLAND wrote:
lets hope is similar to 4.5

It is not.

You will be advised to take a couple of days to learn you way around the new Art.lantis.

If you jump right into it and try to emulate your 4.5 workflow, it will get pretty frustrating.

Best thing would be to download the excellent video tutorials Abvent has on their website, and go once trough them BEFORE running Art.lantis R and then use them while you learn the program.

Postpone real work for a couple of days and experiment with old Art.lantis 4.5 files.

Things to look out for in this new version that are very dissimilar to 4.5:

Radiosity: of course. (R stands for Radiosity, I think, not for Reallyslowrendering). This takes a while to get used to, but you will get pretty good images real soon.

New materials: Fresnel and Neon glass are two materials that will give your rendering the extra oompah. They are not easy to handle, and they have no parallel in 4.5, so you need to experiment.

Postcards: This is really hot. you save your image as a postcard i your album, then you can reapply all those materials on other projects, drag and drop easy.

Objects: This is something else. Now you can just import your shell from archicad, and the fill the scene with all kind of objects. You can even create your own object.

Other stuff you will learn as you get along.

One thing to remember: This is not an upgrade to 4.5, this is a new program, but with the same philosophy - ease of use, real time preview, one click material/light/camera assignment.

Ah, and no film making, for that you will have to wait for Art.lantis Studio, coming this year...

have fun

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:47:28 GMT

i really thank you for your time

you made this image with artlantis? its very good before enlargment i thought it was a real photo from a real place

thank you very much

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:13:16 GMT

You are welcome
When you are passionate about a subject, it is no bother to talk about it... sometimes the difficulty is to make me shut up.

About the image: there is only one light source (sun), atmospheric light and Neon glass (a material). No funny tricks like diffuse light, lightsources pointing to the ceiling and whatever.

Ah! And 20 minutes rendering...

Here is another one, also only sun and atmospheric light.

have fun

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:34:09 GMT

its perfect!!
did you make it in archicad and then render it in artlantis??

my renders are not so good and especially my trees are fake your are very real!!
thank you very much!

ps! i show your web cite
all these projects are made in archicad?
these are very difficult shapes thats why im asking

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:40:21 GMT

Build in ArchiCAD, rendered in Artlantis.

Trees and people are library objects, I stopped using ArchiCAD props for rendering.

The tree comes with ArLantis (just one, if you want more you have to pay for them).

people I downloaded at www.formfonts.com/
They have 3ds files, you convert them into Artlantis objects in about 3 minutes each (with practice). It costs about 9€ a month, and you can download 30 objects (plus 30 textures) every day.

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 17:45:56 GMT

WENDY_NEVERLAND wrote:
ps! i show your web cite
all these projects are made in archicad?
these are very difficult shapes thats why im asking

Opps, fogot that, sorry.

Yes, they are all ArchiCAD objects, and most of them are BIM, or VB, so it is not just pretty pictures

And no maxonform, so it was all done the hard way: GDL objects

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Thomas Holm — Thu, 19 Jan 2006 20:03:58 GMT

Miguel,

simply beautiful!

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

David Collins — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 07:37:07 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
About the image: there is only one light source (sun), atmospheric light and Neon glass (a material).

I confess I am guilty of jumping into ArtlantisR without taking the time to properly train myself on it. I just have my cat walk across the keyboard and it still produces pretty nice images.

Your renderings have convinced me I have to make the time: In the restaurant interior, from which of the three light sources is all that lovely sunshine pouring into the room?

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:55:07 GMT

David wrote:
Your renderings have convinced me I have to make the time: In the restaurant interior, from which of the three light sources is all that lovely sunshine pouring into the room?

I have learned (the hard way) that it is almost impossible to get good interior lighting only on sunshine, specially if you have a deep room with lot of obstacles.

I guess this is why Abvent people invented neon Glass - to allow us non rendering professionals to cheat and get quick results.

So here are the settings for that particular scene. I think neon Glass is responsible for 99% of the outcome, and heliodon/sky illumination play a minor role.

This, I should add, is a slow rendering setting (neon and Fresnel do take a lot out of your machine), so it would be a good idea to do a 320*240 no aliased experiment beforehand.

Ah, and when you hit the jackpot, don't forget to save your settings as a Postcard. I have reused that Neon Glass in all my dark interiors, with minor adjustments.

Have fun

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 08:56:23 GMT

Thomas wrote:
Miguel,

simply beautiful!

Thank you Thomas, but most of the credits should go to those Abvent guys. I just took the time to fool around with their software

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Thomas Holm — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:13:41 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
...Thank you Thomas, but most of the credits should go to those Abvent guys. ...

OK OK, I'll buy, I'll buy! (at least if Graphisoft doesn't include radiosity in AC10)

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:19:11 GMT

Thomas wrote:
OK OK, I'll buy, I'll buy! (at least if Graphisoft doesn't include radiosity in AC10)

As I am no Betatester for AC10, I can speculate freely. I do not think there will be Rad in lightworks so soon, for the same reason it is not there yet: Graphisoft must have an agreement with Abvent about this.

Besides, even if there where Rad, I still would not leave Artlantis (despite all those horrible bugs, reminds me of AC

It is not about (well, not only) radiosity, it is about ease of use, instant preview, drag and drop, etc. It is about not being a professional illustrator, but simply an architect who needs some fast decent looking renderings.

After all, here is life after Radiosity...

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Djordje — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:35:52 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
The main difference between 4.5 and R is that R does not do animation and 4.5 does.

Go to www.artlantis.com and see.

R is completely new thing.

Ladies and gentlemen, get your facts straight before posting ...

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:57:50 GMT

Djordje wrote:
ejrolon wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, get your facts straight before posting ...

Well, now.

ejrolon has a point, I think.

of course Artlantis has all this new capabilities, like Radiosity, fresnel, neon, objects, album, multiprocessor using, what not.

But, if someone asked me what the MAIN difference is, from 4.5 to R, I could say loss of moviemaking.

And it is not just me, check http://www.abvent.com/community/survey/results_survey.php?id_sondage=1

"80% Question 37- Radiosity and Animation: I want radiosity with animation, even if it is slow"

Most of artlantis users complain about Abvents policy to divide their software in two, dropping animation from R version and including it in (soon to be released) Studio.

So, if you want to be nasty about it, you might be justified to say that dropping animation is the most important change for Artlantis users.

I know it has been for me! I have not done a single animation in 6 month, when formerly I used to do one for almost any project.

have fun (but without animation...)

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Djordje — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:08:12 GMT

Krippahl wrote:
But, if someone asked me what the MAIN difference is, from 4.5 to R, I could say loss of moviemaking.

And it is not just me, check http://www.abvent.com/community/survey/results_survey.php?id_sondage=1

"80% Question 37- Radiosity and Animation: I want radiosity with animation, even if it is slow"

Most of artlantis users complain about Abvents policy to divide their software in two, dropping animation from R version and including it in (soon to be released) Studio.

Agreed. This is a decision that I also don't like too much ...

... but that is not the only difference.

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 12:20:03 GMT

Don´t misunderstand me

I love Abvent for Artlantis R (it makes my life SO much easier regarding my clients), but I would marry them if they had included animation ( and less bugs...).

Re: Rendering with ArtLantis!!!! but which ArtLantis?

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:01:07 GMT

Hi Miguel,

Just from a side since I'm not an Artlantis user.

As I am no Betatester for AC10, I can speculate freely. I do not think there will be Rad in lightworks so soon, for the same reason it is not there yet: Graphisoft must have an agreement with Abvent about this.

What do you mean by that? AFAIK Abvent didn't invent radios(c)ity, they just implemented it and optimized for speed and perfomance in the ArtR call it fastRadiosity.

Please put some light on it since I'm not an expert and might be wrong.

Maybe there won't be any radiosity in AC 10, but we'll never know if we won't demand it, after all if Graphisoft want to stay on top they need to listen what are the needs on the market. LightWork Design is ready to cooperate in this matter:

http://www.lightworkdesign.com/full_pr.php?prid=112

Best regards