topic What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0? in Visualization

What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 11:47:01 GMT

I´m quite surprised with Archilumos rendering radiosity images inside ArchiCAD. What a workflow! Better now with the release of ArchiLumos 2.0 dated to november 8, which comes with a better integration with ArchiCAD.
What I miss is a user forum at Optgraph´s website to share tips, images and questions with others users. Maybe we can create one on Yahoo groups or something else. What do you Archilumos users think about it?

Regards,
Ricardo

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

stefan — Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:59:21 GMT

Are there ArchiLumos users?

(Sorry if this sounds a bit sarcastic, but there has been a long time since the program was first mentioned and the day people outside of Sweden or Japan could actually get to know it, through the demo.)

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:52:21 GMT

Yes, there is a small number of ArchiLumos users, but I think this will change soon: now with the release of version 2, Optgraph decided to have a more aggressive marketing, they are recruiting representatives / distributors. I think they waited for a mature version to be distributed worldwide.

If anyone wants to have radiosity images rapidly inside ArchiCAD, I strongly recommend ArchiLumos. Lightworks without radiosity is waste of time.

I think Dwight uses ArchiLumos... Do you Dwight?

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Dwight — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:06:40 GMT

I have used Archilumos.
It has many drawbacks.
Without pronouncing on the new version, these drawbacks were:
1: reliance on limited ArchiCAD material definitions.ie: you are better off in raytraced Lightworks images than trying to radiositize basic ArchiCAD materials.
2: radiosity mapping set too coarse led to staircasing of shadow generation - even in Optgraph's own promotional imagery!!!!
2A: radiosity mapping set too fine led to eternal rendering time of the spotless mind.
3: Flakey with Macintosh - Last fall when my G5 was brand new, Archilumos was crashing - we discovered a bug in the code.
4: bitmapped objects obviously incompatible with radiosity solution - intense polygons in foliage disasterous.
5: Low tolerance for object collisions.

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:48:26 GMT

Ricardo wrote:
Yes, there is a small number of ArchiLumos users, but I think this will change soon: now with the release of version 2, Optgraph decided to have a more aggressive marketing, they are recruiting representatives / distributors. I think they waited for a mature version to be distributed worldwide.

If anyone wants to have radiosity images rapidly inside ArchiCAD, I strongly recommend ArchiLumos. Lightworks without radiosity is waste of time.

I think Dwight uses ArchiLumos... Do you Dwight?

It would be great to see some real world renders of archilumos, (not the stuff on their website) perhaps you you would like to post some of you work and help "persuade" lightworks / artlantis users that this is the renderer to use?

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:48:40 GMT

It would be great to see some real world renders of archilumos, (not the stuff on their website) perhaps you you would like to post some of you work and help "persuade" lightworks / artlantis users that this is the renderer to use?

Hello Lennox,

I'm a new user of ArchiLumos and radiosity, what I will show you is my first work for a client (after few tests of course). So I guess it can´t be a good example as I think I will get better since I don´t know yet the tricks of AL.
I'm aware that the best radiosity results I will find in Viz/Vray-Brazil, but I want an internal workflow so will look very close to the development of AL. There are improvements to take, as Dwight said, and ArchiLumos 2 is the start.

Finished with Photoshop

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

stefan — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:44:49 GMT

Ricardo wrote:
Hello Lennox,
I'm a new user of ArchiLumos and radiosity, what I will show you is my first work for a client[...]Finished with Photoshop

Do you mind showing the non-photoshopped version too?

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:05:21 GMT

Hi Stefan,

The original image is just the same as it, just without the vegetation and the girl. Here is another image of the same project.

What Dwight wrote doesn´t happen or bother me. I tell you what bothers me on Archilumos so far:

1- No alpha channel
2- Bad navigation and no option to save the desired view.
3- No RPC support.
4- Bad website and no user forum... 😞

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Steve Jepson — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:53:16 GMT

This is a good place to watch for ArciLumos news in English. But it is not very up-to-date.

http://optgraph.com/archilumos/hottopics.html

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:39:33 GMT

This is my second work with ArchiLumos. Not bad for me.
I hope Artlantis 5 will have an even better radiosity quality.

Ricardo

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:38:38 GMT

Steve wrote:
This is a good place to watch for ArciLumos news in English. But it is not very up-to-date.

http://optgraph.com/archilumos/hottopics.html

Any more info regarding Archilumos 2, it was seemingly released on the 8th Nov. however I see no fanfare with regard to it.

If anyone has any info/ reviews of the new version, please tell.

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:34:30 GMT

to answer my own question......... it appears from the archilumos web site that the new version is available from the 15th of February and it looks like it can be purchased online too, (although probably US only?)

If any new archilumos 2 users out there can give us a review, Im sure that there are many of us out here will be very interested.

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Dwight — Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:20:10 GMT

The ArchiCAD user will have a difficult choice since LightWorks, while lacking radiosity, has extremely sophisticated surfacing capacity, while Archilumos has been limited to ArchiCAD materials that compromise its ability to deliver realistic surfaces.

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Ben Odonnell — Tue, 11 Jan 2005 12:41:43 GMT

Totally agree with you Dwight.
I belive that surfaces are just as important as lighting. I have seen so many images that have the potential to look fantastic but the artist has not paid any attention to surfacing.

As you say, it will be a hard choice to make, what do I do? Go for better lighting and sacrifice my surfacing possibilities or go for a non radiosity solution where I can achieve, also have the ability, to create really nice surfaces?

Cheers.
Ben

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:42:53 GMT

Dwight wrote:
3: Flakey with Macintosh - Last fall when my G5 was brand new, Archilumos was crashing - we discovered a bug in the code.

Hello Dwight

I downoad the trial version of Archilumos 1.5 and i Have the same problem with my G5.

How do you solve this problem ?

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Djordje — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:51:49 GMT

Ben wrote:
Go for better lighting and sacrifice my surfacing possibilities or go for a non radiosity solution where I can achieve, also have the ability, to create really nice surfaces?

Option 3: Graphisoft licenses Radiosity into LightWorks ?

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Ben Odonnell — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:07:08 GMT

YES!!

They have to do it. Djordje can't we pole this question. I mean make a pole of the question, not pole the question, yea you know what I mean

Cheers.
Ben

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Djordje — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:10:06 GMT

Ben wrote:
They have to do it. Djordje can't we pole this question. I mean make a pole of the question, not pole the question, yea you know what I mean

Maybe we should find a Pole to poll the pole question? 😉

DO IT, MAN!

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

Dwight — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:07:46 GMT

Regarding Graphisoft bringing radiosity to LightWorks:

In preparing my book, I've had a thorough look at what the LightWorks Engine can do, and am astonished at how little of its capability has been implemented in ArchiCAD so far. I am certain that someday, we'll get LightWorks Sketch Engine, real time previewing, advanced rendering and radiosity. But first, it seems that they must rewrite how light works in ArchiCAD. Or something major like that about which no one will speak.

Re: What about an user forum for ArchiLumos 2.0?

stefan — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 08:12:53 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Regarding Graphisoft bringing radiosity to LightWorks:

In preparing my book, I've had a thorough look at what the LightWorks Engine can do, and am astonished at how little of its capability has been implemented in ArchiCAD so far. I am certain that someday, we'll get LightWorks Sketch Engine, real time previewing, advanced rendering and radiosity. But first, it seems that they must rewrite how light works in ArchiCAD. Or something major like that about which no one will speak.

In the 3D-Animation Industry, the LightWorks engine is sometimes called "aging", but I don't think that it is too limited for ArchiCAD.

The total list of LightWorks features is very interesting, especially the part about shaders that are compatible with the realtime and rendering engine.

Let's hope Graphisoft will extend the native materials from ArchiCAD to something a bit more sophisticated. It might turn ArchiCAD into a powerfull visualization tool as well.

If you know that almost every movie effect and TV image using 3D-Animation is rendered with tools like Renderman or Mental Ray, where the material quality is directly depending on the custom written shaders, then you know that the sky is the limit.

Support for Radiosity & HDRI would be the two most interesting improvements, though, since they have the most potential in Architectural Visualization.

And please, improve the Light Sources too!!! They are sooooo limited. Add support for physical lighting: IES, Detailled control over shadowing, falloff, intensities etc...

Materials without a decent control over lights won't go very far.

It might all be possible in the LightWorks engine, but it has to be smoothly integrated in ArchiCAD too: the 3DWindow using OpenGL, the GDL object properties (for which LightWorks support has been included, AFAIK).