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Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 12:31:25 GMT

I like the vector character from Piranesi.
It is specially helpfull, if I don't want to show to the client not so much (for garauntee or something like that).

What ist better between Piranesi and Sketch up?
Say about your experiance.

http://sketchup.com/support/
very nice picture

Thank you

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:05:25 GMT

They dont serve the same purpose.
You simply cannot compare them. Piranesi is a "painting- metarendering" program and sketchup a 3d modelling one.

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:26:33 GMT

but it looks very similar.....

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Vitruvius — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:35:26 GMT

Oreopoulos is right - the two programs are completely different.

Piranesi takes a project created and rendered in another programme (ie ArchiCAD or ArchiCAD+Rendering Program) and allows you to manipulated the image to produce artistic effects (watercolour, sketch, etc.)

Sketchup is a front-end tool which allows you to build the project and has an built-in "sketch" rendering engine.

In reality the workflow would be:

1. Concept design in SketchUp or ArchiCAD
2. Detailed design in ArchiCAD with 3D output by ArchiCAD to Artlantis (or some other renderer) - then output a Piranesi friendly file.
3. Manipulation of that output by Piranesi.

Sketchup and Piranesi are both great programs but if you already have ArchiCAD, you'd probably find Piranesi more useful for creating presentations.

Cheers, Cameron

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:27:10 GMT

Thank you for your answer.
Than I think, just the wepsite from Sketch up looks nice.

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:40:38 GMT

Yes i agree they are totaly diff. but sketchup is something very very easy and i created all stuff which was on my mind and i dont use archiforma, zoom gdl cos sketchup does it faster and better 100 times then all other 3d modeling software, then i export it to dxf then import in archicad and now when i can combine sketchup and archicad there is no shape that i cant create.
This attached model is created in a litle bit in ac 9, sketchup then render is made in lightscape -

This is 50 % finish drawing but when i printed on glosy paper and show it to man with money i just see that good rendering is best way to sell idea.

Dont judge rendering - not finish yet, missing sky, some builidngs and stuff like that

NEcko F.S.-

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Djordje — Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:34:02 GMT

samsung wrote:
:shock:but it looks very similar.....

What looks similar?

Did you actually download the demos and did you try them?

Or were you just looking at the images on the site? Sketchup has a plugin for exporting to Piranesi, and many people use Sketchup for modeling the scenes to be post-rendered in Piranesi.

Learn before you ask. Not everyhting can be spoonfed.

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:40:56 GMT

Now I know. Thanks.
I decide to buy Piranesi, if I buy, because of vector-character.
The question was, Artlantis, Piranesi or other rendering software
Sketch up is not very known.

Actually the LW in AC9 is quite good enough....

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:09:49 GMT

I still think you dont understand what those programs do.

SketchUp is a 3D modelling tool. It is VERY WELL KNOWN and with great prospects.

Piranesi is a metarendering program. Something like what photoshop is for pictures. You take a Rendering (you dont model or render it there) and just helps you to paint because it recognises faces, orientation, depth.

Artlantis is a 3d Rendering program. You import a 3d MOdel (cannot model there) and render it.

So i guess you have messed things up.

You can compare Sketchup-Archicad-3dStudio-Rhino...and the list is big

You can compare Arlantis-lightwave-3dstudio-Archicad-Maxwell and the list is bigger

You can compare Photoshop-Piranesi...

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:46:33 GMT

I've seen Tutorialvideos.
In my opinion,
Sketch up is good for city plan like sim city.
It is not necessary to buy Sketch up für AC-user, in my opinion.
Plan must be finished any way with AC, incl. rough material checking with LW-Rendering.
And than, 3D trees and 3D people can be nice made with Piranesi (3D people in AC look like Robocop)
To show rough concept 3D sketch with Piranesi is excellant.
Rendering must not be always photorealistic.
Piranesi shows nice graphic character.
To compare with Photoshop and piranesi is not proper.
Piranesi recognise exactly material (not color).
Let me say....piranesi is photoshop for Architects.

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Karl Ottenstein — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:03:44 GMT

samsung wrote:
I decide to buy Piranesi, if I buy, because of vector-character.
The question was, Artlantis, Piranesi or other rendering software

Piranesi is not vector based ... so I don't know what you mean by vector-character. Piranesi is a raster (pixel) based painting program... that happens to understand depth (view "extended pixels") and have some very unique features that let you paint and insert images and 3D object into a static image in useful ways.

It can not render. It does not understand geometry or light (although you can fake light sources and make cutouts cast shadows).

You can improve photorealistic images in it, or create artistic ones.

Piranesi is a remarkable post-production tool.

Karl

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:39:25 GMT

Karl wrote:
samsung wrote:
I decide to buy Piranesi, if I buy, because of vector-character.
The question was, Artlantis, Piranesi or other rendering software
Piranesi is not vector based ...

Karl

Hello Karl.
Yes, you are right. But it can be manipulated, so that it looks like vectorbased graphic (mixed with bitmap texture).

The photorealistic rendering makes sometime too much.....without any further fantasy

I'd like to show often not too much to the client...but just image with eye catch.

I show you here very nice example, from ...somebody...made with Piranesi

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:22:06 GMT

samsung wrote:
I show you here very nice example, from ...somebody...made with Piranesi

Yeah, you know you should not copy someone else's work without giving their name. That was an image from Tony at JGT Interior Design and Construction. (I'm over at the Piranesi forums regularly, too.)
http://www.informatixsoftware.com/forums/

Karl

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:54:28 GMT

I am asking, how Tom has made the shadow-effect with Piranesi....

ist quite professional...

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Karl Ottenstein — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:49:43 GMT

samsung wrote:
I am asking, how Tom has made the shadow-effect with Piranesi....

Shadows are typically generated in the original rendering software - whatever exported to Piranesi. The shadows in that image cannot be generated by Piranesi itself.

You should join the Piranesi forums at the Informatix web site (links below) and ask your questions there.

Karl

Re: Piranesi or Sketch up?

Anonymous — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 23:06:11 GMT

I thank you, Karl.

Except that...your tipps have helped me very much.
God bless you