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(3d interior) Minimalismo One

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 12:44:06 GMT

Hi guys ...interior of a loft...design Deborah Berke...space model in AC9...furniture & ligth 3dsmax...

sorry for the size so big

Re: (3d interior) Minimalismo One

Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 15:33:13 GMT

i don't know why people keep kidding themselves that they can produce decent renderings in archicad or any archicad related product. archicad is fantastic for doing virtual building stuff and making 2d drawings, but one of these days somebody will swallow their pride and recompile archicad as a plugin for max, maya and C4D and then the images will start to look decent. nothing i've seen so far from hours of fiddling with rendering engines like artlantis can match up to what i can get out of mental ray in a couple of minutes, as the above images show so well.

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Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 16:07:51 GMT

sir wrote:
i don't know why people keep kidding themselves that they can produce decent renderings in archicad or any archicad related product. archicad is fantastic for doing virtual building stuff and making 2d drawings, but one of these days somebody will swallow their pride and recompile archicad as a plugin for max, maya and C4D and then the images will start to look decent. nothing i've seen so far from hours of fiddling with rendering engines like artlantis can match up to what i can get out of mental ray in a couple of minutes, as the above images show so well.

ArchiCAD is NOT a rendering program I really don't think anyone is kidding anyone about that.

It goal of the program is to produce a virtual Building Model, NOT just a model to be rendered in ArchiCAD or any other program.

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Anonymous — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 17:55:58 GMT

sir wig: there are clients who demand a quality much but high of image (photorealistic render) that the one that offers archicad... for that reason I use 3ds max to obtain that quality

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Ben Odonnell — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:14:29 GMT

sir wrote:
i don't know why people keep kidding themselves that they can produce decent renderings in archicad or any archicad related product. archicad is fantastic for doing virtual building stuff and making 2d drawings, but one of these days somebody will swallow their pride and recompile archicad as a plugin for max, maya and C4D and then the images will start to look decent. nothing i've seen so far from hours of fiddling with rendering engines like artlantis can match up to what i can get out of mental ray in a couple of minutes, as the above images show so well.

There is no one in this forum kidding themselves. Swallow their pride? Why? ArchiCAD is a fantastic product and with a community like this, it's a VERY big call to say that people are kidding themselves.

I'd like to see a quote were some one has said otherwise!

Ben

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Djordje — Mon, 07 Feb 2005 17:41:08 GMT

It would be better if people would finally understand what ArchiCAD is. After 20 plus years, they still don't, because as anyone mentions 3D, everybody thinks it has to do with rendering ONLY. Much of the blame is also on so-called ArchiCAD resellers, that - in my humble experience - in past decades were more interested to push a Mac and add an ArchiCAD box on top, as a modeling software. Not all, or even most, understood.

Many still don't.

If you are evangelizing, do it properly, and with passion. Also, be prepared for boiling oil, stakes and other pleasantries.

As one might realize, the rendering is a BYPRODUCT. Mental Ray is a great tool - but one has to be mental (nothing personal!) to think that the VB that you are creating is made for that purpose only.

Of course, if the client demands photo realism, feel free to pursue perfection, that you do so well! Great renderings! While you are at it, I will do the next two projects ...

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Dwight — Mon, 07 Feb 2005 19:17:01 GMT

It is true that the LightWorks rendering engine as implemented in ArchiCAD isn't the most comprehensive. What it does achieve, however is a reasonable result in nominal time, compatible with the demands of a design practice [ who isn't getting paid extra for illustration work].

The challenge is that we are designers, not commercial illustrators. The degree of refinement in the Max product is beautiful, but it is not incidental: there's a whole additional skill set there. If you want to change careers and be an illustrator... then you WOULD select another appplication besides ArchiCAD for your work.

We are directed at reasonable results with nominal effort, as mediocre as that sounds.

ArchiCAD files can easily be exported to more sophisticated tools.

In my book, I offer three renderlight strategies, named for the haircut styles shown in "The Man Who Wasn't There": The Brush Cut, the Contour, and for a little extra effort: the Executive Contour.

Thank you to ArchiCAD TALK members who have pre-ordered my "LightWorks In ArchiCAD" book. There is stiill time to get in on the first printing....

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Rakela Raul — Mon, 07 Feb 2005 20:21:29 GMT

mister 'illustration in archicad'..i forgot the cost of ur new book..can u please contact me regarding ordering.....u already know my direct email..thx

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Vitruvius — Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:01:00 GMT

Dwight,

How about the Mullet? I'll buy the book if you name one of your rendering styles the Mullet - the infamous high-low haircut also known as "hockey hair". In keeping with your theme, perhaps a "high radiosity - low light" (or something of that ilk) strategy might fit the bill.

Cheers, eh.

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Dwight — Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:14:27 GMT

Okay. Paypal me and I'll name a style after the "Mullet," a style well known in our neighboring province, Alberta. I believe Aaron Bourgoin has one.

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Anonymous — Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:08:34 GMT

I like to work with archicad because he far better has a very friendly interface... that any CAD program... but when I need imagens photorrealistic I must myself pass to 3ds max... to make one imagens photorrealistic is necessary much preparation, patience, feeling, etc. and many Megabytes of memory... jejeje Dwigth I am preparing the scene...

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Anonymous — Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:45:22 GMT

i like ur lighting so much

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Paul King — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:44:38 GMT

I guess what some might ask, is what is gained by excluding the rendering tools that most industry heavy weight (& increasingly medium weight) Practices use to win jobs & influence people?

Rendering is become less & less a specialist secondary outcome - it is bercoming a core part of Practice.

The strength of an Architectural design package will increaingly be assessed by it's ability to support and INTEGRATE all the processes that generate & communicate the design - from marketing it, to managing document revisions while it is being built.

Presumably the gurus at Graphisoft could design extra rendering functionality such that it does not need to be invoked unless needed (like turbo mode in a sports car) - but wouldn't it make you feel better just knowing it was there?

The extra cost would be more than offset by the savings in time & hassle achieved by integrating the rendering model 100% with the design model

I for one would pay for such an update or plug-in!

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Anonymous — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:32:33 GMT

Great work
I think, good rendering skill is same like good photograph.
It is also art.
If a architect can do this job, it is great.

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Anonymous — Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:05:30 GMT

Two thoughts on this subject. Please don't scream at me for this.

!. If you must do renderings, buy Piranesi. Great for all types of renderings: photorealistic, charcoal sketch, watercolors, etc, etc. Fairly inexpensive and a great tool. Fairly easy to learn and use.
www.informatix.co.uk

2. I only do residential work so I am not talking about commerical here. Why do renderings in the first place? I show my clients actual pictures of past work and let that demonstate what they can expect for their project. No matter how great a particular piece of rendering software, it can never capture the exact color of roof tile, stucco, landscape, etc. I have even hired outside companies that have done great renderings, but still the client says the stucco color isn't exactly what they want, the ground cover isn't just right. It puts the client in an uneasy position, and hence more effort on my part.

As I am sure most of you do, I sell my clients on reputation and past work. I gain their trust through relationships, referrals, etc. My personal feeling is that if a client doesn't trust your instincts, experience, past work, etc, renderings aren't going to help sell a project.

Sometimes to much information is a bad thing.

Grant

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Anonymous — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:10:16 GMT

"NOELDESIGNS" wrote:
Two thoughts on this subject. Please don't scream at me for this.

!.

No matter how great a particular piece of rendering software, it can never capture the exact color of roof tile, stucco, landscape, etc. I have even hired outside companies that have done great renderings, but still the client says the stucco color isn't exactly what they want, the ground cover isn't just right. It puts the client in an uneasy position, and hence more effort on my part.

Exactly. It is the best way, to show to the client the built reference list.
(I hoped, my name is Mies van der Rohe, or Frank Loyd Right.)
But the client says not always, "Please build the same thing, but with lower price. Your work is now easier."

Beautiful presentation helps: to make understandable.
And to show Rendering is safety way: I must show material sample, to calculate the building.
In this case I can check better with the client material.
Good rendering is very powerful, if atmosphere for your or my architecture is very important.

But rendering can manipulate the client: nice dressed Beautiful lady or handsome man under strange lamping light.

In my opinion, as Architect we must learn to present our works with rendering.
But first of all I want to use LW from AC9. It is powerful enough, but I need skill....
Except that maybe Piranesi...to show not too much.....

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Paul King — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:08:41 GMT

Hi - the purpose of rendering in not necessarily to be photorealistic - sometimes you can be deliberaltly surrealistic and very selective in what you show.
The main thing is to create an atmosphere or a mood - and this is intrinsically tied up with the lighting cast on the subject & the way light bounces around off materials - which is where the full range of rendering tools would be of value.

It is an unfortunate reality that generic rendering makes even the best design in the world look flat.
A full pallet of tools will not make a designer with no ability look good, but it will give sombody with rendering competence as well as a good design an edge over someone who has only one or neither of these things.

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Anonymous — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:19:02 GMT

Paul wrote:
Hi - the purpose of rendering in not necessarily to be photorealistic - sometimes you can be deliberaltly surrealistic and very selective in what you show.
The main thing is to create an atmosphere or a mood - and this is intrinsically tied up with the lighting cast on the subject & the way light bounces around off materials - which is where the full range of rendering tools would be of value.

You are right.
Design Showcase from Graphisoft shows not so many motivation in this sense.
AC9 has opende new possibility with LW. Graphisoft must show many possibility with this tool LW, not other rendering programm.
LW is anyway also Rendering Program...or not?

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Paul King — Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:35:56 GMT

Hi Samsung - LW is a rendering Plug in program, and better than the previous native ArchiCAD one - but still no Radiosity - which is a slow method but creates much more powerfull lighting effects. Most high quality renderers seem to have radiosity or something like it now, so ArchiCAD is a little way behind them all . Some say ArchiCad should not try to be as good as the others (that it is too hard to be good at everything), but I say why on earth not!?