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I need moreWHAM factor :)

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 11 May 2023 11:21:22 GMT

Just from a lighting point of view, it is flat.

My guess is that you have the 'camera light' checked (if this is really LW and not the internal engine? It is bad enough to look like the internal one.)

The camera light is a wonderful feature to allow anything to be illuminated so that you can see where you are... but isn't going to help produce a realistic lighting scenario.

Ditch the camera light, turn down ambient, add some yellow/orange to your sun(it is too cold now, especially for the time of day [low angle]), and add window lights to cast some diffuse illumination into the room. Try (I haven't yet myself) Dwight's tip in another thread to place a window light in a warm color on the ceiling to add ambiance.

Add some entourage ... try the archicado.fr web site for some good kitchen objects, for example ...

Good luck!

Karl

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

stefan — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 14:55:47 GMT

If you use LightWorks, then you can use the specific LightWorks lights: sun, sky and window. The windowlight should be placed on the inside of a window and adjusted to be of the same size as the window itself. This simulates the effect of sun & sky-light penetrating inside an interior and can give good results.

And if you use LightWorks, adjust the settings as to disable the camera-light (which doesn't help realism) and diminish the ambient light (or disable it).

If you use the LightWorks Sun & Sky, you can also disable the SUN in the LightWorks Rendering settings, since the LW Sun & Sky are considered Lamps 😉

Check out around this forum for some good tips by Dwight & Karl.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:07:02 GMT

Kid:

Lose the blue cabinets.

These grey things, what gives? You are regressing in skill.
Give your ambient a color like mauve. Make sun yellow. Jeez.

Generally every scene needs a little experimenting to get the light right. Thinking like a photographer would, place a key, model and fill light in the scene.

For ArchiCAD, start with a medium power light placed where th shadows cast help to "model" the space. Then soften the shadows with another lite and turn up ambient until it has a glow.

Or just give up until the LightWorks engine arrives. I know it is being held back unitl your currency, the Kangaroo Paw, improves in the world currency exchange. The Germans already have ArchiCAD 10 but you "downudders" still suffer.

You are wasting your time working in this archaic phong renderer from before you were born. Get artlantis or cinema and start practicing with a program that can help you make progress. The fun and development of your illustration skills will soften the pain of the cost.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:34:36 GMT

Nik,

Sorry... I forgot that you were stuck on 8.1, and so don't have LightWorks yet. All of my comments were for LW; follow yoda instead. 😉

Karl

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Fri, 05 Nov 2004 21:30:43 GMT

And the cabinets? Try brown. Everybody likes brown.

Hey look - I'm an airplane until my next post.

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Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 06:54:48 GMT

better. reduce texture size. stretch wood grain.

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Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:14:33 GMT

I see that you have the shades, but I find it hard to imagine that you also have a white cane, considering your choice of career.

Of course the floor, too, you ninny!

The way to develop your vision is to actually look at your work. Does that floor even look remotely like any substance known to man. That you would walk on? Trees aren't that big even in Canada.

Look at the world around you. How DOES a floor look from 10 metres away? Smooth!

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Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:26:47 GMT

This work is developed by trial and error. What is your goal? What kind of image do you want? Have you got some architectural photography over your work station to compare to?

It is nice that you ask questions and show your work, but until you bring your own standards to bear who can help you?

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 07:55:54 GMT

Kid:

Think "Story."
What's your story?
Key to success in film making, the story tells you all sorts of things about the set and the architecture around whatpeople do - what color and lighting are necessary to facilitate the story of life.

And then there's the Force.

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Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:10:12 GMT

Book

Robert McKee "Story"

Lampooned in excellent movie "Adaptation."

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Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:31:26 GMT

You have found a colleague.

Lighting due to Gil Taylor, famed cinematographer : Also Hard Day's Night and Star Wars....

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Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:35:39 GMT

And this entire scene where Lionel Mandrake turns off the lights of the situation room one at a time - like the whole world is dying.

How do I have these?

Routine investigation.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:56:30 GMT

The force is invisible.

Film does not have the "lattitude" to correctly expose a given frame from just one light - even the sun - unless it is a huge and diffused one. You got fooled - they are filling the space with light indirectly.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:58:35 GMT

Professional photography always looks so dull in the studio but reveals all details in light and shadow. So even in Strangelove, where you think it is black, they have filled the space enough to reveal some detail - enough to prove a form is there at least.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

stefan — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:12:49 GMT

Dwight wrote:
Book

Robert McKee "Story"

Lampooned in excellent movie "Adaptation."

It that is the movie I'm thinking it is...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268126/
Yes it is.
Euh... my wife and I didn't like it.
Certainly the over-the-edge ending... So plain wrong.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

stefan — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:22:45 GMT

More "Wham":

From the 3D-Total projects:
http://67.15.36.49/ffa/tutorials/tutorialsoverviews.asp

Often a combination of modelling, texturing & lighting. Sometimes not using radiosity or other tricks at all...

Celtic Soccer
http://67.15.36.49/team/Tutorials/v9_mattin/mattin_01.asp

Texturing
http://67.15.36.49/team/Tutorials/balazs_tut/balazs_tut01.asp

Hungarian House
http://67.15.36.49/team/Tutorials/Karin_t-texture/karin_t-texture_01.asp

Helms Deep
http://67.15.36.49/team/tutorials/helmsdeep/helmsdeep.asp

The diner
http://67.15.36.49/team/tutorials/po_diner/diner.asp

La Hacienda
http://67.15.36.49/team/tutorials/lahacienda/lahacienda1.asp

(Often done with tools like Maya or 3ds max and using several advanced rendering engines, but each tutorial has benefits for whatever software you might use)

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 17:40:00 GMT

Re: Adaptation:

I could see how someone wouldn't like this movie - raw, violent and makes you uncomfortable with tension most of the time. Watching genius can do that.

You really need to be a student of fim making [as I am--a dilettante] to appreciate the jokes in the movie. Reading McKee's book would give insight as to the tricks they played - a respectful orchid thief story turned into a Hollywood movie - with cynical contempt. I liked it because it was totally belivable but it broadcasts all the time that it is the screenwriter jerking us around with plot twists. "Hey, here's an idea to save this impossible story" and then you see it play out.

I watch this once a month at least. In awe.

BTW: Charlie Kaufman is real, but the brother is fiction. Didn't stop the fictional brother from being nominated for an award an having his own place at IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0442134/bio

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:53:45 GMT

Remember while you watch that it is about a writer's challenge turning a non-fiction book with no "story" into a movie with a compelling story - a fiction. It is also one of those rare movies where what people actually say means something. When Kaufmann has a drink with McKee, McKee says "it is all in the ending - do anything, but be logical - don't cheat", and when Kaufmann sits with his a|s|s|h|o|l|e agent who says "No story? Make one up." the set-up for the "joke" is complete.

And I wouldn't want to spoil anything for you but the fictional twin brother is the perfect metaphor for the resolution of the character's neurotic conflict [a necessary part of ending a movie that satisfies] and in this way, the writer has made a totally original screenplay that completely follows McKee's rules of a successful Hollywood storyline. Genius, but remains respectful to what "story" is.

Re: I need moreWHAM factor :)

Dwight — Sun, 07 Nov 2004 03:43:40 GMT

And remember, this is about Wham factor, not max factor.

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Dwight — Sun, 07 Nov 2004 04:30:17 GMT

I make the comparison to makeup because all of this lightsandsurfacing we do in our renderings - it just covers the future rotting deterioration beneath.

Like my Auntie Doris. Krikey, don't ask me to kiss that powdered cheek, again! Besides, I wasn't in the will.

This is especially true if you owned a condominium in Vancouver build since 1990 using the acrylic stucco on plywood with flush top parapet method to maximise Floor Space Ratio.

Can you say mildew?

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