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    <title>topic Re: lightworks materials in Visualization</title>
    <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54356#M23081</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;rengarch wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;I downloaded the archive files and placed them in the Visualization folder and it works.  Thanks.  How do you use the "InteriorLightsStudios.lwa" and the "NewYork.Iwa".  Could anyone explain the HDRI(light probe) function of Lightworks.  Is it  available for Archicad? &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Those don't work with ArchiCAD... cannot use LW lights or scenery.  Sorry.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:55:02 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2004-11-16T17:55:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54348#M23073</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="actalk-migrated-content"&gt;&lt;T&gt;hello to all of you,&lt;BR /&gt;
does anyone know how can we use the lightworks materials that we can download them from lightworks users site?&lt;/T&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2023 11:55:28 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54348#M23073</guid>
      <dc:creator>Maged Ibrahim</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2023-05-11T11:55:28Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54349#M23074</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Maged wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;does anyone know how can we use the lightworks materials that we can download them from lightworks users site?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Yes, one of those not-very-obvious things...&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Download the *.lwa (lightworks archive) files ... and place them into the following folder alongside the standard ArchiCAD LW archives:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
[XP path]:&lt;BR /&gt;
Program Files\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD 9\Add-Ons\Visualization\smdata&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
After that (no reload of libraries or anything required), click the buttons as shown in the Materials dialog screenshot below. &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2004 18:17:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54349#M23074</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-02T18:17:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54350#M23075</link>
      <description>O.K., I'll ask.&lt;BR /&gt;
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What web site?  Nevermind, I found it.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Great resource!&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://www.lightworks-user.com/downloads.php?type=supplier&amp;amp;filter=LWD&amp;amp;page=3" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://www.lightworks-user.com/download ... LWD&amp;amp;page=3"&gt;http://www.lightworks-user.com/downloads.php?type=supplier&amp;amp;filter=LWD&amp;amp;page=3&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:45:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54350#M23075</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-02T20:45:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54351#M23076</link>
      <description>Sorry about the wrong placement of the question, but i am an "newbie" on this site.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Thank you very much for the answer.!  &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
I have one further question if you dont mind!. Do you know were to find a nice "ceder bevel siding" texture. I hav know idea where to find it.?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 20:43:29 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54351#M23076</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-03T20:43:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54352#M23077</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;mallehk wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;I have one further question if you dont mind!. Do you know were to find a nice "ceder bevel siding" texture. I hav know idea where to find it.?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

No problem... welcome to ac-talk! &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Take a look at this thread -- has links to various sites with free textures.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=2046" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/vie ... php?t=2046"&gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=2046&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
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There are also some for free at gdlcentral.com ... some are pretty good, some pretty bad.  These are the same that were distributed with the 7.0 "20th Anniversary" bonus CD.  After logging on (free), click on 'Building Textures" in the Product Catalog on the left.  Grab both the Objects and Textures files ... you're sure to find useful things in each.  If your siding will not be seen close-up in any image, then some of the siding there may work... otherwise, follow the links to the various other sites in the thread above.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Nov 2004 22:06:50 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54352#M23077</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-03T22:06:50Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54353#M23078</link>
      <description>Thank you Karl, I will try to search the posted links.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:29:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54353#M23078</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-04T12:29:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54354#M23079</link>
      <description>Dwight just posted an excellent tutorial on creating a proper siding material - where the shadow is generated by an alpha channel and so does not appear (mysteriously / against logic) in shaded areas as is the case with the color-channel-only textures:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=25062#25062" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/vie ... 5062#25062"&gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=25062#25062&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
That post belongs in the Tips section... and is just a taste of what is contained in Dwight's excellent (and inexpensive!) book, Illustration in ArchiCAD.  With his recent LW posts as temptation, I'm looking forward to his new book on LW too! &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
KKarl</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2004 16:58:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54354#M23079</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-05T16:58:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54355#M23080</link>
      <description>Yes, one of those not-very-obvious things... &lt;BR /&gt;
 &lt;BR /&gt;
Download the *.lwa (lightworks archive) files ... and place them into the following folder alongside the standard ArchiCAD LW archives: &lt;BR /&gt;
 &lt;BR /&gt;
[XP path]: &lt;BR /&gt;
Program Files\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD 9\Add-Ons\Visualization\smdata &lt;BR /&gt;
 &lt;BR /&gt;
After that (no reload of libraries or anything required), click the buttons as shown in the Materials dialog screenshot below. &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;  &lt;BR /&gt;
 &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_surprised.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;  &lt;BR /&gt;
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I downloaded the archive files and placed them in the Visualization folder and it works.  Thanks.  How do you use the "InteriorLightsStudios.lwa" and the "NewYork.Iwa".  Could anyone explain the HDRI(light probe) function of Lightworks.  Is it  available for Archicad? &lt;BR /&gt;
 &lt;BR /&gt;
Confused. Rita</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:57:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54355#M23080</guid>
      <dc:creator>rengarch</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-16T13:57:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54356#M23081</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;rengarch wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;I downloaded the archive files and placed them in the Visualization folder and it works.  Thanks.  How do you use the "InteriorLightsStudios.lwa" and the "NewYork.Iwa".  Could anyone explain the HDRI(light probe) function of Lightworks.  Is it  available for Archicad? &lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Those don't work with ArchiCAD... cannot use LW lights or scenery.  Sorry.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:55:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54356#M23081</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-16T17:55:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54357#M23082</link>
      <description>And in downloading the .lwa from their web site, please note that ArchiCAD users only have architectural and industrial visualizing packages enabled, but I did get glow in the special effects materials even tho this is not enabled - perhaps they also radiate color in the real version.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 19:47:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54357#M23082</guid>
      <dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-16T19:47:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54358#M23083</link>
      <description>Can the group of lightworks early adopters offer a list of "must-have" lwas  from the ones available at the Lightworks  User site?</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:46:39 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54358#M23083</guid>
      <dc:creator>Aaron Bourgoin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-16T21:46:39Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54359#M23084</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Aaron wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;Can the group of lightworks early adopters offer a list of "must-have" lwas  from the ones available at the Lightworks  User site?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

That's a tough one, Aaron, since each person's needs are different.  (The Mannington floors probably aren't very useful to most though! &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt; )&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
The little experimentation that I've done has shown at least one material in each lwa to be of interest.  What I've been wondering is how LWA's are created and edited, since I'd love to prune out the materials that I don't need and create a combined LWA with the stuff that I like.  I suppose if I search the LW-user site I could find the answer .... feeling lazy... &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_rolleyes.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
PS  As an aside, I'll note that it gets confusing when you assign materials from the LWA and then work in OpenGL, since of course the OpenGL materials are the ones from the Internal Engine (more or less).  There's a button to make LW "match internal engine", but none to make OpenGL 'match LW'.  You can end up with some pretty extreme stuff, like seeing brick in OpenGL and stucco (anything) from LW.   &lt;IMG src="https://community.graphisoft.com/legacyfs/online/emojis/icon_confused.gif" style="display : inline;" /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:27:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54359#M23084</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T03:27:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54360#M23085</link>
      <description>It seems to be a manual operation to work backwards - at least your basic material texture should be the same in all three rendering types - I have found this to be good practice - no surprises.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:41:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54360#M23085</guid>
      <dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T03:41:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54361#M23086</link>
      <description>I'm going to post one of use to North American users - Benjamin Moore's paint colours have been posted today. Since we don't seem to make use of the RAL colour standard, this one might make paint specifying easier. ???&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://www.lightworks-user.com/downloads.php?type=supplier&amp;amp;filter=BenjaminMo" target="_blank"&gt;Benjamin Moore Paints&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:07:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54361#M23086</guid>
      <dc:creator>Aaron Bourgoin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T05:07:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54362#M23087</link>
      <description>Do ArchiCAD 9 users have "base" functionality or "architectural" functionality?&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
signed,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
an archicad intern</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:20:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54362#M23087</guid>
      <dc:creator>Aaron Bourgoin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T05:20:55Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54363#M23088</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Aaron wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;I'm going to post one of use to North American users - Benjamin Moore's paint colours have been posted today. Since we don't seem to make use of the RAL colour standard, this one might make paint specifying easier. ???&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://www.lightworks-user.com/downloads.php?type=supplier&amp;amp;filter=BenjaminMo" target="_blank"&gt;Benjamin Moore Paints&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

That'll definitely be useful for me... Thanks for announcing, Aaron! &lt;E&gt;&lt;span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:"&gt;😉&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/E&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
The preview button results are interestingly bad.  For example, semi-gloss and gloss are increasingly mirror-like ... but don't look like any gloss painted wall I've seen:  needs noise and a minor bump to distort the reflection (hmm: does a bump map distort the reflection in LW?  Will have to try.)...&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Now, grumble, to download each lwa one by one, since there is not mass download...&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
OK... back to edit this message: I just downloaded 3 (and stopped) of the Benjamin Moore lwa's, and none of them display any materials when loaded into ArchiCAD ... so I'm wondering if the lwa's themselves are defective?&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
I've tried:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
BenjaminMooreRegal221InteriorMatte&lt;BR /&gt;
BenjaminMooreRegal333InteriorSemiGloss&lt;BR /&gt;
BenjaminMooreRegal221InteriorEggshell&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Nothing at all comes up for any of these.  I'm dropping an email to LW to ask what the problem is, but maybe it's me.  (I'm also astonished that an archive for paint is over 4 MB ... so maybe there are some bump maps/etc in there.)&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:34:51 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54363#M23088</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T05:34:51Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54364#M23089</link>
      <description>So, LightWorks can make s*h*i*t*t*y textures, too!&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
An archive to avoid is the UNS metals. All the same.</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:06:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54364#M23089</guid>
      <dc:creator>Dwight</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T06:06:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54365#M23090</link>
      <description>Karl,&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
when you wrote: &lt;BR /&gt;

&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Yes, one of those not-very-obvious things...&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Download the *.lwa (lightworks archive) files ... and place them into the following folder alongside the standard ArchiCAD LW archives:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
[XP path]:&lt;BR /&gt;
Program Files\Graphisoft\ArchiCAD 9\Add-Ons\Visualization\smdata&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
After that (no reload of libraries or anything required), click the buttons as shown in the Materials dialog screenshot below.&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

There seem to be some initialization files that reside inside this folder as well. Does installation of some or all the LWAs require a modification to the initialization files?</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:09:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54365#M23090</guid>
      <dc:creator>Aaron Bourgoin</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-17T06:09:16Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54366#M23091</link>
      <description>Followup on Benjamin Moore LWA files not working with AC 9:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;A href="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=26218#26218" target="_blank"&gt;&lt;LINK_TEXT text="http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/vie ... 6218#26218"&gt;http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=26218#26218&lt;/LINK_TEXT&gt;&lt;/A&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:02:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54366#M23091</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-23T01:02:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: lightworks materials</title>
      <link>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54367#M23092</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;Aaron wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;There seem to be some initialization files that reside inside this folder as well. Does installation of some or all the LWAs require a modification to the initialization files?&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;

Only one I see is the shaders.lob file and I can't find what it's function is ... other than a reference indicating that it is an essential file.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Mystery.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
Karl</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2004 01:08:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://community.graphisoft.com/t5/Visualization/lightworks-materials/m-p/54367#M23092</guid>
      <dc:creator>Karl Ottenstein</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2004-11-23T01:08:42Z</dc:date>
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