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How can I save a movie to DVD

Thu, 11 May 2023 11:12:32 GMT

I am testing some of animations with artlantis, already I did a movie
but now I have some doubts

The file size of AC 8,1 is 2,4 MB the file in artlantis 4,5
is 59,9 MB

1. The file of .mov was 1.62GB in format (quicktime
compressed) size 768 576 xs the PAL 25 photograms by seg. with
duration of 40 seconds.

2. Then I tested another in format (quicktime compressed) size
320 200 xs VGA 25 photograms by seg. with duration of 30 seconds. the
file .mov was 182 MB

Then I change some textures that you could be larger in size
and saving them with smaller KB

Is normal the size of the file for .mov?

The other doubt that I have is if a file .mov I can save it in a DVD,
and send it to my client and he can see it in any DVD?

the program iDVD has this option?
does anybody knows how to make it?

Thanks in Advance
David

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Aussie John — Thu, 02 Dec 2004 02:55:02 GMT

Movies chew up an enormous amount of disk space but you should be able to get the movie compressed and onto a CD if it is only 40 seconds long. Its been a while since i have done any movie work so have forgotten some detail so dont take my figures as exact...

I can edit a DV in Final cut pro of about 10 mins with 2 Gb so something is going seriously wrong with your compression to end up 1ith 1.6Gb for 40 secs. Proper Compression will bring that down significantly. You could try the animation compression algorithm as that seems to be quite effective.

To really do compression well you need good software like "Cleaner"

As you will have noticed that the screen size will make a proportioned difference to the end file size but assuming 600x400 pixel size the file should be about 100 MB give or take.

As to your question of whether copying to a DVD will allow it to be played on a DVD player the answer is yes. Use a program like iDVD to create it other wise it will only be playable on the computer.

I might be wrong here but I dont think the amount of rendered detail will have any effect on the compressed movie size

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

ricki-fritz — Thu, 02 Dec 2004 04:45:37 GMT

David wrote:
I am testing some of animations with artlantis, already I did a movie but now I have some doubts

1. The file of .mov was 1.62GB in format (quicktime
compressed) size 768 576 xs the PAL 25 photograms by seg. with
duration of 40 seconds.

2. Then I tested another in format (quicktime compressed) size
320 200 xs VGA 25 photograms by seg. with duration of 30 seconds. the
file .mov was 182 MB

If you used the same (quicktime) compressor, the main thing that would reduce your file size is the frame (image) size.

You should be able to choose which compressor Quicktime uses to compress the file. Sorenson Video 3 is usually quite good in terms of file size/image quality.

David wrote:

Then I change some textures that you could be larger in size
and saving them with smaller KB

If you mean the textures that you are using in Artlantis for your materials, then this will not affect your rendered images/movie file size.

David wrote:

Is normal the size of the file for .mov?

The other doubt that I have is if a file .mov I can save it in a DVD,
and send it to my client and he can see it in any DVD?

the program iDVD has this option?
does anybody knows how to make it?

Not too sure about iDVD, but if it imports your quicktime*.mov files OK, then I assume iDVD will convert it to DVD format (VOB file, I think?) when you burn the DVD? Have you tried to import the files you have already made?

Ricki

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

stefan — Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:38:59 GMT

DVD files are MPEG2 format only.

I guess iMovie can import any Quicktime-supported video file and do the editing and then export into a suitable MPEG2-file that you can use in iDVD to make a DVD.

But I don't have a Mac so I'm only guessing.

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On the PC I do this:

If I can, I render to PAL format. If not, I just hope my video software can do the magic for me (it can, but a 320x240-movie cannot be crystal sharp in 720x576).
I collect every movie and sound and image and stuff I need in Vegas Movie Studio and do the editing (but any capable video editor should be able to do the basics).

When I want to go back to my miniDV-camera, I export to DV-files:
video: 25 MBits/s, audio: 1000~1500 kbits/s - 216 MB/minute. This is good for editing, since it contains (almost) no visible compression.

When I want to export to DVD (at least to hard-disk, since I don't have a DVD-writer, but that's not the point): PAL = 720x576, MPEG2 (3000~9000 kbits/s), audio: different options. In total about 30-70 MB/minute.
I export to MPEG2. This are large files, but not impossible huge.

MPEG2-files are compressed so avoid when you still need to edit them.

More info:
www.videohelp.com

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Anonymous — Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:15:04 GMT

Didn't we cover this ground before?

http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=17282&highlight=video#17282

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:28:12 GMT

ricki_faris wrote:

David wrote:

Then I change some textures that you could be larger in size
and saving them with smaller KB

If you mean the textures that you are using in Artlantis for your materials, then this will not affect your rendered images/movie file size.

Maybe I have misunderstood how animation compression works, but I thought the answer to this would be 'yes' - if the textures change, but not if the texture files are merely compressed better. I thought that with animation compression, areas of consecutive frames are examined and if an area has not changed from one frame to the next, it is encoded so as to not be stored in the subsequent frame(s).

If this is the case, then if a wall is white in one case, and has striped wallpaper in another, then the white wall animation should compress better (depending on lighting effects) as you walk past it ... while the areas of the striped wall can have much less compressionl because of the 'moving' stripes.

Sounds like David is using the same texture, just a differently compressed version of it ... which shouldn't have any effect.

All some dim memory of something I read a long time ago... is this wrong?

Karl

[Edited: had said "Ricki" where I meant "David"]

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

ricki-fritz — Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:09:25 GMT

Karl wrote:
ricki_faris wrote:

David wrote:

Then I change some textures that you could be larger in size
and saving them with smaller KB

If you mean the textures that you are using in Artlantis for your materials, then this will not affect your rendered images/movie file size.

If this is the case, then if a wall is white in one case, and has striped wallpaper in another, then the white wall animation should compress better (depending on lighting effects) as you walk past it ... while the areas of the striped wall can have much less compressionl because of the 'moving' stripes.

Karl

In the example you give, you are correct - the movie/image files will be smaller with a white wall, than one with different coloured stripes (less number of colours & less change per frame, etc.)

However, I was assuming that David was not actually completely changing the textures he was using in Artlantis, simply reducing their file size (either by increasing the compression or reducing the actual pixel size - say from a 512 x 512 pixel image to a 256 x 256 pixel image).

And yes, there are other topics here that cover tips/suggestions about video compilation, editing, etc. Use the Search ;o)

Ricki

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:49:51 GMT

Yesterday I made a small presentation for a client, I burnt it to DVD. This was the first effort that I have made with the new G5. I own a WideScreen TV and I knew the client did also. Therefore I wanted to produce the highest quality animation for this 16:9 format. Here is the method I used in Cinema 4D.

To render the popular and higher quality anamorphic widescreen image, use the following settings:

Resolution - PAL D1 or NTSC D1 - 720 x 486

Film Format - Automatic

Pixel - 1.42:1

Export to tiff sequential frames

Import Sequence to QT pro --> export as ANIMATION format

Import into iMOVIE - EDIT --> Click Share --> Launch iDVD

Set up your Menu structure --> Click Burn

Done. Now when the DVD is played it will be Anamorphic

An anamorphic image squashes the picture sideways so everything looks very slim and tall. When this is played back on a Widescreen set, the image is stretched sideways again to compensate, thus giving a wide image picture without any distortion. Because the whole frame is used, the final image will be much crisper and of a higher quality than a letterbox. This is basically the quality used at the studios, ever wonder why Shreik looks so crisp on the TV?

Need Final Cut Pro and DVD STudio Pro to do Widescreen? Nope, those programs just make the work environment (editing and preview) look normal and not squishy. Same resolution.

Great Widescreen info:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/index.html

Widescreen video CAM info:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t100848.html

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And for Super High Quality
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If you are thinking HDTV, well there is no way to produce a DVD that has that resolution, but you can use a Roku Unit to display HDTV images - 1920 x 1080. They can be shown as slide shows with transitions and music.

http://www.rokulabs.com

http://www.epicware.com/hd1000/

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Or finally
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High Def images, stills - That you can zoom and pan

http://lqgraphics.com/software/phototomovie.php

The Mac Rocks!

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

stefan — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 13:29:49 GMT

Burginger wrote:
[...]
The Mac Rocks!

The last sentence is a bit biased... Whatever you told is perfectly possible on a PC as well.

But good info nonetheless.

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:27:09 GMT

The last sentence is a bit biased... Whatever you told is perfectly possible on a PC as well.

...But the programs (iMovie,iDVD,Garageband) come free with any mac and if you need to buy them they are only $49.00US

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

stefan — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:49:55 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
The last sentence is a bit biased... Whatever you told is perfectly possible on a PC as well.
...But the programs (iMovie,iDVD,Garageband) come free with any mac and if you need to buy them they are only $49.00US

That was not the point. You still need to buy a Mac and OS X.

MS Movie Maker 2 is also free (but you need to have a Windows license).
Apple iTunes is free for PC & Mac (to help sell the iPod to non-Mac users).
Sony Vegas Movie Studio (incl. DVD Architect Studio) is $100 and is very versatile. It's not free, but is a lite-version of professional software.
An alternative to Garageband is ACID Xpress which is free (but limited). Upgrade is cheap. I paid $30 to upgrade from an old version which came with a CD-writer.
Adobe Premiere Elements is about $150, I thought.

So cheap PC-tools are available as well.

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On the other hand, MPEG2-encoders are not free and that is why you usually have to pay a license fee to have it. Most cheap video-software needs to support it to be able to export a movie into DVD format (which is MPEG2 for the video).

TMPGEnc is free for encoding video to MPEG1, but needs a license for MPEG2-conversion.

There are freeware and shareware svcd/DVD-editing programs too. But to encode MPEG2 files you need to pay. I guess Apple pays for the MPEG2-license and charges it in the OS and/or the hardware.

(I wanted to at least give some usefull info instead of turning it into a Mac vc. PC debate)

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Eduardo Rolon — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:25:11 GMT

I wont get on the mac vs pc debate again, but one parting shot... the integration of the iLife software is excellent, and those are not even the Pro vesions...

Going off topic; What is it with listing all the software and hardware?

PowerBook 17" 2Gb Ram, C4d, Blender, VPC, AC09, Illustrator, InDesign, Photoshop, SkecthUp, Notational Velocity, OmniOutliner, Artlantis 4.5, MS Office, iPod 3G

ThinkPad A31p, WinXp Pro, P4, 768 Ram, AutoCAD 2004, 3D Viz R04, Coreldraw, Freehand, Premiere, AfterEffects, Revit 6, ADT 2004, Photoshop, Acrobat, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, MS Office, MS Project, Solitaire

and soon to have whatever model of G5 comes out at MacWorld...

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:15:40 GMT

From 1999 to 2004 I did all of my architectural work on my Dell Windows 2000 Professional 2Ghz. It was the cat's meow because I could work all day without a single crash, at a speed much, much faster than my Macintosh friends.

Times have changed, now my G5 dualie 2GHz pushes the data around so fast it most often waits for me. ArchiCAD works great on this machine, now. The apps are integrated, easy to use and surprizingly complete in their abilities. The Dell sits idle except when it is used as a net rendering node.

Therefore I am biased, but not unaware of the PC abilities and problems.

Mark (Switcher) Burginger

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Anonymous — Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:50:07 GMT

ejrolon wrote:
Going off topic; What is it with listing all the software and hardware?

Eduardo;

Whilst you _do_ have a signature it does list only the 'basic' items. Most of us have MS office applications, and suchlike - but printer details / other Architectural software information might be useful (to know) to somebody else some day. At least that is the idea!

- Stuart

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:50:09 GMT

Karl, sounds to me very logic, your explanation of the textures,
I tried to make new changes in the file of artlantis, and I could reduce of
59.9MB to 42MB changing some textures to it.
but I don´t understand what happens to
artlantis 4.5 for mac the archive .mov was of 2.92 GB in quicktime compress.

So, I make a test with one friend of PC (Windows),
and for my great surprise the problem I am solved very fast to the
archive .mov was of 42MB. which gave me something of fear to know that my
G5 could not.

probably during the editing process in artlantis, or inclusively
archicad I could have generated some mistake, that was growing in MB.

On the other hand, some commentaries that Burginger did previously,
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=17282&highlight=video#17282

take into account their commentaries I have QuickTime VR Authoring
Studio in my hands, and now I want to install it, but my problem is that
I get confused of version, this version is 9 system OS, in the Apple
specification store does not appear clear to me. I have all my softwares running on OX Is there any new version to upgrade this or I need to use
clasicc 9 system OS? On the other hand, exists some web site where
I can see the tutorials in video?

John Aussie, I took your advise and get the cleaner 6, hoping I can make benefits in the future.

thanks to Stefan and Ricki, now I know that there is a whole world of softwares to compress and edit movie, I will like to know which of these softwares are the best to work with them? Sorenson Video 3, 4, Vegas Movie Studio, Cleaner?

I have learned in six hours, how to make a DVD. I used the tutorials on line, and just read patiently. step by step. first you need to export your images to iphoto, to make a slideshow, then on imovie you import the file .mov edit sound, effects, save then on idvd export the files of imovie, iphoto. and place which kind of theme did you choose. or even you can create a new one.

then when youre completly sure that your finished, burn your dvd

Dear friends thanks for your commentaries.

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Eduardo Rolon — Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:57:17 GMT

For your consideration:
1) Avoid exporting to .mov or .avi the files created within a 3D app ( Art. C4D, Viz) it is easier to always export to sequential jpegs, tga's or tiff. Reasons for this are simple, if something goes wrong you can pick up where you left off (frame 241 out of 2000 frames for example). Also since the 3d program does not have to create the movie it finishes faster, and by exporting everything to a sequence then you can use another program to experiment with the compression settings without having to re-render the whole project.
2) If you are using a mac and you have quicktime pro you can skip the import to iPhoto step, just open quicktime and import the sequence. There you can play around with frame rates and compression settings. This is the movie that you will import into iMovie.

hope this helps

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

stefan — Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:42:52 GMT

While you're at it, a sequence of JPEG images has the advantage of being not that big, but the disadvantage of allready being compressed.

The best results is rendering out to non-lossy compressed images, like TGA or TIFF (they use compression, but non-lossy, which means smaller then uncompressed but still fairly big in size).

Using non-lossy images will allow the conversion to give better results.

If space matters, use JPEG but avoid low-quality.

Most professional video-editors allow you to import a sequence of images and use it as if it where a movie, without having to convert it. Remember then conversion is usually best left untill the final output. That said, for performance, some video-editors convert compressed movies first to a better suited format for editing (which often means large files anyway).

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Anonymous — Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:01:57 GMT

For all those who have been living on the Dark Side of the Moon.

Apple has shipped the new iLife bundle. The major improvement to iMovie is the ability to edit 16:9 widescreen DV and even HDV.

I have tested the Anamorphic straight through from render and still photography to DVD displayed on a widescreen set. Looking good.

Re: How can I save a movie to DVD

Anonymous — Sat, 22 Jan 2005 23:29:15 GMT

Wow! Those of you who like to prepare your portfolio, still images on DVD (preferrable Widescreen) are going to be very happy with the latest iMovie HD. Looking at still images in 16:9 zooming in with Ken Burn's pan and zoom tool is crystal sharp.

Taking it a step further I tested ultra-hi res photographs and renderings, 1080 pixel across. The new HD editor is tons cleaner - very clear, not pixilated like the standard DV editor. That was a surprise. Here is a screen shot, jpeg lost some in translation.

Very good, now if there was only a way to get this onto the screen. Currently you need to write it out, back, to a HD video camera and display it to your set from there.

I bet Apple creates another solution.