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NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Ahimsa Prema — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:30:44 GMT

Hi everybody! Does anyone have experience with the NVIDIA Geforce RTX 4090 graphics card? Its specs are good for gaming and all specs are better than Quadro series graphics cards, but is it best for running ArchiCad 26 software, rendering, making videos? With the best Ahimsa Prema

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Lingwisyer — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:57:14 GMT

As far as I know, AC is not that GPU intensive... What are you rendering and video editing with?

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Ahimsa Prema — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 09:59:57 GMT

Yes, you may not need such a large Gpu capacity for AC.
When dealing with large-scale and complex projects, GPU capacity can be important.
I am looking for a suitable laptop for AC, Twinmotion, Rhinoceros, Grasshoper, with capable graphics, processor, etc.
I've been looking at the Msi Titan GT77 HX 13V.
Or something similar.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

ESK — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 10:15:36 GMT

I work with NVIDIA Quadro RTX 4000 and my colleague is using a NVIDIA Geforce RTX 2080ti. We are both modelling in Archicad and rendering in Twinmotion. The Quadro series is supposed to be better for Archicad where as the Geforce series is supposed to less suited for BIM. Our experience is that the Geforce performs as good in Archicad and better in Twinmotion. GPU-acceleration in graphic software works as well.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Bricklyne Clarence — Sat, 08 Jul 2023 07:47:25 GMT

Generally, the rule of thumb tends to be that Quadro series cards are much better suited to CAD/BIM programs for designers and architects, and that while the GeForce cards are indeed powerful, they are more geared towards gamers and thus better suited to that field.

However, because gaming is GPU and raytracing heavy, having a GeForce card can be more useful in a workflow that utilizes GPU-based realtime renderers and render engines like Enscape, D5 and Twinmotion (and the most recent version of Lumion, I believe) - which are more and more popular and ubiquitous in Architecture work nowadays.

So if you're looking from a cost perspective, I'd go with GeForce since they are generally more affordable than Quadro series card and you get that plus of being able to do all your rendering in-house and in realtime with todays modern render engine.

You still get plenty of power and high-end functionality for the day-to-day CAD/BIMming stuff as they operate fairly decently in that area as well (and most CAD and BIM programs are not on their own, GPU-intensive or reliant).

Save the money for extra RAM chips or a higher end CPU since those two are more important for BIM and CAD design work.

But if you have the money to spend (and don't care too much about the rendering end of stuff), then you should consider the Quadro series since, like I mentioned, they are specifically designed and optimized for design in a CAD and BIM environment.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Lingwisyer — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 01:36:49 GMT

I feel like there is even less reason to buy a professional card over a consumer one now that you can run the professional drivers on both, especially if you are just using it for general CAD and rendering. On the otherhand, if you are doing structural simulations or the likes, you could probably make use of the touted improved floating point accuracy and such.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Jp1138 — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 07:30:07 GMT

A 4090 maybe a bit of an overkill, but in any case better to invest in a RTX than in a Quadro.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Ahimsa Prema — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 02:13:37 GMT

Hello again.
Thanks to everyone who bothered to answer.
It seems that no one has direct experience with RTX 4090 rendering or using AC. But I got some ideas.
At the same time, for example, Amazon buyers have recognized the Quadro RTX 6000 graphics card as absolute junk and do not recommend buying it, it is possible that it was used from games and simply did not work.
It is clear that the Quadro series is specifically for the CAD system, but it is also an outdated series today. Newer than that is the RTX Ada series, which is also designed for CAD, but its price range is correspondingly very high.
I rather think that CPU and RAM capacity are important for running Cad. The graphics card may be important, but from your story it seems that the RTX 4090 will do the job for CAD and rendering as well, if supported by a capable Intel Core i9 5.6 GHz processor and 128 RAM.
Or does anyone have any other thoughts or suggestions?

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Erwin Edel — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 07:11:10 GMT

Quadro cards receive driver support for many, many years, whereas older Geforce cards are dropped faster.

I have a Quadro FX500 (20 year old tech) in an old machine that is still working on WIN10, whereas a laptop of mine with fermi type Geforce card is no longer supported for WIN10.

2D acceleration is probably the only part where you will see any other noticeable difference.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

ESK — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 07:11:43 GMT

I think many of the processes in Archicad are single core tasks but I'm not an expert in CPU's. Consider a CPU with a high single core performance.

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Mick_NZ — Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:24:49 GMT

ArchiCad itself doesn't really use your GPU for rendering, instead, it uses your CPU, so if you're rendering straight from ArchiCad, your GPU does very little work. For this you need lots of fast cores in your CPU.

Real-time rendering, however is a different matter altogether! Twinmotion is what we use, so that's what I'll talk about 🙂

Twinmotion is built on a gaming engine (the same one as Fortnite and Rocket League, among many others), but unlike when used for games, the engine needs to render thousands more polygons for renders than when gaming. This polygon count uses MUCH more vRAM from your GPU.

How much vRAM is enough depends on how big your projects are and therefore how many polygons you need to render.

So is a 4090 amazing? Yes, mostly because it has lots of vRAM... is it needed? For large projects yes... for residential projects... no.

We do multiunit developments running on our old RTX2070 Super (8Gb) and it runs just fine. So you've gotta be doing something pretty big and complex to warrant the 4090 beast!

If you are already powering in with an i9 13900k (or ks), 64-128gb ram, good z690-z790 motherboard chipset, M.2 storage, and a good power supply, and there's still budget left over for a 4090 go for it, but if not, 12gb or 16gb gpu is plenty unless your rendering the largest and most complex scenes!!

And you'd be better to get two 4080's for the same price as one 4090, as Twinmotion is now capable of splitting the load between two GPU's (and with the 4080 you'd get 32gb of vRAM rather than 32gb)

Hope this helps

MickeyNZ

Re: NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4090

Ahimsa Prema — Fri, 28 Jul 2023 17:57:55 GMT

Hello. Thanks.
Things are starting to become clearer.
I found probably the best possible laptop for running AC and rendering Twinmotion or Lumion.
https://www.msi.com/Content-Creation/CreatorPro-X17-HX-A13VX

It has an NVIDIA RTX A5000 with a 16GB GPU, which is not the most capacious, as there is another 24GB and also a 48GB Gpu cards...
But there is no such a laptop with those.
16gb gpu is probably enough for small and medium projects, but probably not for very large and complex projects.
Then it should have min. 24 GB Gpu.
However I may still have to look for best solution ...