topic Re: Sketch style render in Visualization

Sketch style render

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 10:24:41 GMT

Welcome any comments on ways to improve this sketch render.

Some (summarised) info on how this was made.
1. LW render with LW sun and sky objects plus a few general lights in the office.
2. Koh-I-Nor sketch render, no shadows.
3. In Photoshop Elements, insert LW render image, copy LW render image and then apply sketch filter, set at 18%, also overlay Koh-I-Nor sketch render at 13%. Add yellow to blue horizontal brightness fill at 17% brightness/contrast filter layers
4. Last add entourage and logos

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:52:11 GMT

Nice work and easy explanation.

It would be nice to combine lw and sketchrender directly in ArchiCad though.

Re: Sketch style render

Mats_Knutsson — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:35:54 GMT

Maurice wrote:
Welcome any comments on ways to improve this sketch render.

Some (summarised) info on how this was made.
1. LW render with LW sun and sky objects plus a few general lights in the office.
2. Koh-I-Nor sketch render, no shadows.
3. In Photoshop Elements, insert LW render image, copy LW render image and then apply sketch filter, set at 18%, also overlay Koh-I-Nor sketch render at 13%. Add yellow to blue horizontal brightness fill at 17% brightness/contrast filter layers
4. Last add entourage and logos

I like it a lot! The technique is good. I have only two issues (matter of personal taste of course). The fence is somewhat dominating and for me the top of the car touching the sidewalk makes the composition a little unbalanced. Maybe some people on the sidewalk?

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:49:58 GMT

Mats_Knutsson wrote:
I like it a lot! The technique is good. I have only two issues (matter of personal taste of course). The fence is somewhat dominating and for me the top of the car touching the sidewalk makes the composition a little unbalanced. Maybe some people on the sidewalk?

The fence - agree, should really be open although it still is in the way. Had some people on the sidewalk and then realised I would have to add reflections in the glass facade. In reality this road is so busy no sane person would ever walk along it

The car - actually this is a six lane road so the view is in the centre island, point taken though. Its the little things that matter.

Thanks for the comments

Re: Sketch style render

Mats_Knutsson — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:31:14 GMT

Maurice wrote:
Mats_Knutsson wrote:
I like it a lot! The technique is good. I have only two issues (matter of personal taste of course). The fence is somewhat dominating and for me the top of the car touching the sidewalk makes the composition a little unbalanced. Maybe some people on the sidewalk?
The fence - agree, should really be open although it still is in the way. Had some people on the sidewalk and then realised I would have to add reflections in the glass facade. In reality this road is so busy no sane person would ever walk along it

The car - actually this is a six lane road so the view is in the centre island, point taken though. Its the little things that matter.

Thanks for the comments

Easy fix...take way the bottom part...!?

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:08:18 GMT

TurboGlider wrote:
Nice work and easy explanation.

It would be nice to combine lw and sketchrender directly in ArchiCad though.

Do a LW render first, then use the resulting image as the backgound for your sketch render. Not quite directly, but eliminates the PS work.

Re: Sketch style render

__archiben — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:33:38 GMT

TurboGlider wrote:
It would be nice to combine lw and sketchrender directly in ArchiCad though.

yeah - but until then:

http://www.archicad.ca/?p=71

~/archiben

Re: Sketch style render

Dwight — Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:22:38 GMT

s2art wrote:
TurboGlider wrote:
Nice work and easy explanation.

It would be nice to combine lw and sketchrender directly in ArchiCad though.
Do a LW render first, then use the resulting image as the backgound for your sketch render. Not quite directly, but eliminates the PS work.

I can't make this work like it used to - it simply won't render a sketch against an image. Please verify.

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:45:07 GMT

dwight wrote:
I can't make this work like it used to - it simply won't render a sketch against an image. Please verify.

I will give it a try some time soon...

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:14:17 GMT

s2art wrote:
dwight wrote:
I can't make this work like it used to - it simply won't render a sketch against an image. Please verify.
I will give it a try some time soon...

It works for me. I only had to scale the image to 36% to match the property's of the sketchrender

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:12:28 GMT

I second that, for detail presentation Koh-I-Noor works best.
- paper roughness 10%
- antialiasing - max
- line thickness - 16%
- no lines overstreching - it makes mess when there are complex objects in the scene
- hatching and shadows - only when you have time to, not necessery IMO
Below small project I enjoyed this summer.

Re: Sketch style render

Mats_Knutsson — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:03:32 GMT

tigr wrote:
I second that, for detail presentation Koh-I-Noor works best.
- paper roughness 10%
- antialiasing - max
- line thickness - 16%
- no lines overstreching - it makes mess when there are complex objects in the scene
- hatching and shadows - only when you have time to, not necessery IMO
Below small project I enjoyed this summer.

Just....WOW....really nice as usual!!

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:27:17 GMT

Is it possible to experiance step by step?
I am very interrested to learn this kind of work with AC!

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:28:38 GMT

It's pretty well described in this post:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?p=66948&sid=cad3da8527d7118e66a6994a4c84e7ed

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 09:54:13 GMT

Thanks Mats.

Sketch + LW was described in many posts (thanks Tom) and the technique is a bit different every time, but basicly this is what you do:

1. Render a scene with LW (don't put to much work in it, doesn't have to be perfect. Sometimes I even use 3d screen shots instead !! )
2. Save it.
3. Now you can use it as a background for your sketch render or read further.
4. Sketch render settings (not optimal, just mine):
- Koh-I-Noor
- paper roughness 10%
- antialiasing - max
- line thickness - 16%
- no lines overstreching
- shadows, hatch and lines distortion...you need to decide
5. If you want to put some extra touches in the scene you want to compose it in Photoshop or Gimp.
- make the sketch a layer, put on top of LW render
- use "Multiply" or "Overlay" as a layer blending option
- mess with the LW render to get what you need
- flaten and save

Have fun.

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:29:12 GMT

Thanks for your tipp.

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:21:01 GMT

This is my try!!Found the idea wonderfull !!Comments welcome!

Re: Sketch style render

Erich — Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:44:57 GMT

The render looks very good generally, This is the type of drawings I would rather show a client than something photorealistic.

If it were me I think I would try to lighten up the lower right corner. While the dark road serves a a base for the drawing the rigth side gets a bit too heavy, at least on my monitor.

Good work though.

Re: Sketch style render

Anonymous — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:32:12 GMT

Thanx a lot my friend !You are right for the right corner!In reality there is a building on the right side that i have put on my model and that is the reason for the dark shadow!To be honest i cant be bothered to change it!

Re: Sketch style render

Thomas Holm — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:06:53 GMT

tigr wrote:
Sketch + LW was described in many posts (thanks Tom) and the technique is a bit different every time, but basicly this is what you do:

1. Render a scene with LW (don't put to much work in it, doesn't have to be perfect. Sometimes I even use 3d screen shots instead !! )
2. Save it.
3. Now you can use it as a background for your sketch render or read further.
4. Sketch render settings (not optimal, just mine):
- Koh-I-Noor
- paper roughness 10%
- antialiasing - max
- line thickness - 16%
- no lines overstreching
- shadows, hatch and lines distortion...you need to decide
5. If you want to put some extra touches in the scene you want to compose it in Photoshop or Gimp.
- make the sketch a layer, put on top of LW render
- use "Multiply" or "Overlay" as a layer blending option
- mess with the LW render to get what you need
- flaten and save

This techinque is really amazing. It gives me precisely the balance between reality and concept that I've always wanted!

I'm posting this to confirm that it works with Artlantis too. Just don't move your camera, and keep track of the pixel count, and you can compose the Sketch render over an Artlantis radiosity render in Photoshop. With some luck, it may give a similar glow to what you can do with a water-colored pencil sketch!