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White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Thu, 11 May 2023 09:58:58 GMT

Greetings

As the topic suggests, I am currently working on a render of a project. I wish to use the White Model Effect, or at least have a similar appearance on my render (e.g. without any textures being included, just shadows on gray surfaces). I have been able to create what I wanted by simply ticking the box "Use White Model Effect" under Render Settings in the PhotoRendering Settings dialogue box. However, the part of my project that I want to render features a couple of mirrors along one of the walls. I would really like to include the reflective quality of these mirrors as it changes the spatial quality quite drastically, something I would like to portray with my rendered image.

I have tried a few different settings already, but find myself unable to get the results I want. As I am fairly new to ARCHICAD, I thought I'd try here!

My question is: is there any way to combine the use of the White Model Effect with fully reflective surfaces? If not, is there any way to achieve a similar result?

Thank you in advance!

/Tore

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Erwin Edel — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:01:33 GMT

Quick and dirty fix: hotlink your project PLN to a render PLN, purge all attributes, make a white material, a 'glass' material and a 'mirror' material.

Start deleting and replacing the materials of your project with one of those 3.

Do a normal render, don't use white model effect.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:09:36 GMT

Hello Erwin

Thank you for your reply! This seems like a reasonable solution, I will try it when I get the chance!

One would think there would be a way to do it through the render settings... I tried turning off the "Use White Model Effect" while also turning off textures, which gave me a really strange result, not at all close to the look of the White Model Effect.

Best,

Tore

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:46:38 GMT

Nice Trick Erwin. (we are missing the thumbs up emoticon here, and the like button).
I hope Graphisoft add these options in Archicad soon, because the cinerender engine is able to do this (is not in Archicad because we have like a lite version of it), in Cinema 4D you can do it easily by just pressing a button.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Tue, 02 Aug 2016 15:35:47 GMT

Now, with the GO on AC20 this is easy
Thanks, God for the new GO in Archicad.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 03:49:39 GMT

arqrivas wrote:
Now, with the GO on AC20 this is easy
Thanks, God for the new GO in Archicad.

. Show example please

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 04:33:58 GMT

I will do an example, when I go back to the computer, but the idea is just to override all surfaces but the one you want to reflect, in this case the mirror, an if you want a reflective surface that has color to show reflecting but without color, then copy the surface, make it white, (you could even keep yhe bump map) and override.

I'll post an example asap.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 05:37:36 GMT

Thanks for posting that tip again. I think you have explaind this to me before. I just never got around to trying it. I will post this image for the sake of those who are not sure what we are talking about.

This is what I want to do with CineRender.

I use this kind of White Model a lot. And I like to show the glass as dark and shiny.

I made this several years ago with Maxwell Render.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 15:18:10 GMT

HI, Steve, for some reason I can't see the Pic

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Steve Jepson — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:17:56 GMT

That's good to know. I used an Image Shack forum style link.
Can anyone else see the image in that post?

How about this direct link? http://imageshack.com/a/img339/2303/wipbd.png

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Fri, 05 Aug 2016 17:52:27 GMT

Steve wrote:
Can anyone else see the image in that post?

I can see it fine. It is rather big and pushes forum boundaries off screen on most screens, but it is visible.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Erwin Edel — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 07:21:33 GMT

Steve,

I do not have ArchiCAD20 yet, but that image is very possible to do with the overriding all but the glass surfaces with a white surface.

I would put a general light inside with infinite strength, no shadow casting, and put lights at about 50% in the cinerender settings, this helps a bit with making the interior less dark, which in turn makes the glazing look a bit better.

A few replies futher up on this topic I wrote how you would be able to achieve it relatively quick with ArchiCAD 18/19 by hotlinking the PLN to a seperate file.

Given the approach of overrides, you might even play a bit with shades of grey for different surfaces (like a roof, or windowframes) to give the model a tiny bit more richness and definition.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

alemanda — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 08:36:38 GMT

Steve wrote:
..
Can anyone else see the image in that post?
...

I see the pic, larger than the standard width of the forum page ...

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 14:57:59 GMT

Ok, here is an example of what you can do about this with GO in AC20

As you can see in the pics, I could do override materials of any construction element, the only downside (which will probably make a wish) is that you can't not override the materials in a library part separately, see the mirrors, the one in the center is converted to morph and the others are the library part, these two only worked with the rule of uncut elements.

I'll explain the GO rules used for this in the next posts.

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Anonymous — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 15:21:41 GMT

Here are the rules I used.
1- The order of the rules are important, which one is on top of the other.
2- You can see in rule 1, how I try to change any object that has the wood material by brick, as an example and it didn't change, all wood is white, driven by the base rule of uncut elements to white.
3- For the wall I just copied the material and in the color channel of the surface I erase everything and put a simple color, preserving the bump and others maps, the same thing I did for the floor, but each material need a unique rule for them.
4- In the case of the balls in the table, each one has a different surface, but all three surfaces are replaced for a white glossy surface (BTW, I had to convert them to morph first).
5 And for the mirror is just the same concept you can use for the glass, just add to the base rule of uncut elements to white, a statement that is not "the material you don't want to replace".
Hope that helps. I think that , with some time and imagination, we can make very interesting presentation in AC

Re: White Model Render with reflective surfaces?

Steve Jepson — Mon, 08 Aug 2016 19:34:29 GMT

Erwin wrote:
Steve,

I do not have ArchiCAD20 yet, but that image is very possible to do with the overriding all but the glass surfaces with a white surface.

I would put a general light inside with infinite strength, no shadow casting, and put lights at about 50% in the cinerender settings, this helps a bit with making the interior less dark, which in turn makes the glazing look a bit better.

A few replies futher up on this topic I wrote how you would be able to achieve it relatively quick with ArchiCAD 18/19 by hotlinking the PLN to a seperate file.

Given the approach of overrides, you might even play a bit with shades of grey for different surfaces (like a roof, or windowframes) to give the model a tiny bit more richness and definition.

Thanks Erwin, I think a GO is going to be a good solution to set up. All the solutions for what I want to do are more difficult than it should be using ArchiCAD/CineRender.