topic Re: Interactive Schedule in Collaboration with other software

Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:48:33 GMT

Hello There I am new to this and I am using ArchiCAD for abut 2 years.

I have renovation project and i was using "Empty Doors" now when i use command Interactive Schedule for Door Types this Empty Door shows up.
So my question is there a option to not include these doors in the list.

Thanks everyone and keep great work helping each other

Re: Interactive Schedule

TomWaltz — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:07:05 GMT

Yes.

In your schedule Settings, where you set Element Type = Door, you can also set Object Name <> Empty Door (not equal to), so the schedule will skip these doors.

You can also set all your empty door ID's to be zero, then tell set your scheduler to skip all doors with ID <> 0, so you can also skip toilet partitions and other random doors you do not want to include.

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:12:29 GMT

dmoraca wrote:
I have renovation project and i was using "Empty Doors" now when i use command Interactive Schedule for Door Types this Empty Door shows up.
So my question is there a option to not include these doors in the list.

Give all the empty openings an ID = O and set the list criteria as shown.

Woody

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:14:42 GMT

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:17:24 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
In your schedule Settings, where you set Element Type = Door, you can also set Object Name <> Empty Door (not equal to), so the schedule will skip these doors.

I like that one too!

Woody

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:57:19 GMT

I know this is an old thread but I am hoping someone is still looking at it.

I am trying to create a window schedule that filters out storefronts. So I set the first criteria to be Element type Window and then set a series of criteria to be Library Part Name <> (not equal to) the Library part names for the storefront objects. This seems like it would work but it failed to filter out the storefront object in my plan.

See the attached screen shot of the IS settings window.

Thanks for your help,

Aaron

Re: Interactive Schedule

Link — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 19:31:47 GMT

This seems like it would work but it failed to filter out the storefront object in my plan.

You're complicating matters trying it that way IMHO. I recommend giving any unwanted scheduled element a unique ID, like 'empty' or 'ingore' or 'void' and telling the IS not to include *anything* with that ID.

Much easier to create/change objects globally to reflect this ID.

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:18:35 GMT

[Much easier to create/change objects globally to reflect this ID.]

I could see how that would work better. Unfortunately I want them not to show up in my window schedule but to show up in a seperate storefront schedule. So, I need them to still have an ID. That's why I thought it would be nifty to excclude and include different objects.

Have you had any success doing that?

Thanks,

Aaron

Re: Interactive Schedule

Link — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:23:38 GMT

Not much mate - I had a quick play around with it, and it looks like the IS gets confused when it has multiple criteria like that. Or it's not associating the criteria with the elements. Hopefully Karl will read this and chime in, as he is excellent with the Calculation menu!

In the meantime, why not give the storefronts an ID of 'storefront' that is used in the storefront schedule, but not the window schedule?

Cheers,
Link.

Re: Interactive Schedule

TomWaltz — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:04:50 GMT

Link wrote:
Not much mate - I had a quick play around with it, and it looks like the IS gets confused when it has multiple criteria like that. Or it's not associating the criteria with the elements. Hopefully Karl will read this and chime in, as he is excellent with the Calculation menu!

In the meantime, why not give the storefronts an ID of 'storefront' that is used in the storefront schedule, but not the window schedule?

Cheers,
Link.

The IS gets totally borked when you try to use multiple criteria. This is a pretty long-standing bug. (or unrequested feature, depending on who you talk to.)

Re: Interactive Schedule

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 21:37:03 GMT

Yes, this is a flaw in the implementation of the criteria logic of the I.S. Aaron.

The workaround is to use special ID's - either with a prefix or a suffix. Then you can use the ID =X.. criteria to match only things WITH the prefix (for example) ... thus separating your storefronts from other things via the ID text.

HTH,
Karl

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Fri, 09 Sep 2005 00:00:37 GMT

Thanks to all of you for your help. I think I have figured it out. We will just use a prefix desnignating the different type of window: storefront, louver or window. It should work allright.

Hopefully this is something that will be fixed in the next release, along with many other thing.

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:05:53 GMT

Okay,

Now I have a new problem. In the AC9 Special Edition Library the door markers have this cool ability to pick up the room number and add it to the tag. Which room it associates with is controlled by an editable hotspot. This is great bcause we schedule our doors with the room number.

Ok, now the problem.... How do you get this new door id with the room number to show up in the Interactive Schedule?

Any Ideas?

Thanks again for any help.

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 15:16:02 GMT

If I could add to this thread and the issue, I have got the Element ID to work and exclude out... BUT....

I need a particular Element ID to always combine into a single row/line. Is this possible? Despite different sizes and types and materials?

Re: Interactive Schedule

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:25:33 GMT

sirduncan wrote:
I need a particular Element ID to always combine into a single row/line. Is this possible? Despite different sizes and types and materials?

Well.. by definition, to group multiple entries into one row, all fields must be identical. If you have different sizes, types and materials, the only way to group is to NOT include those fields in the table. As long as the selected fields are identical for the elements with the same ID, then they can be grouped and counted in one row.

(If it did not behave this way, then what size/type/material would you want displayed in the single row representing elements that have different values? Whatever is shown would be wrong, right? 😉 )

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:41:18 GMT

Yes, and as I have thought about it, it would be terribly intense to program it to do EVERYTHING we ALL want it to do. Although that would be nice too. :]

It looks, then, like we won't ever be able to use the interactive schedule truly interactively. Thats ok - We always place it on the floor plan, edit-cut and place it on a detail. Then we explode it and edit accordingly. oh well. we'll live.

Re: Interactive Schedule

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:42:23 GMT

oh and Aaron - I didn't mean to butt in - but we don't use the special editions so I don't have an answer there. Sorry.

Re: Interactive Schedule

SeaGeoff — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:45:10 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
The IS gets totally borked when you try to use multiple criteria. This is a pretty long-standing bug...

I am having a similar problem so did a search and found this old topic. Can anyone confirm that this bug is still present in ArchiCAD 10 (1010)? Specifically, when I exclude one layer it works fine but try to exclude two and neither are excluded.

And another thing. Why aren't Zone Name and Zone No. available as criteria?

Re: Interactive Schedule

Dwight — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:15:14 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
borked

ooo.
Another word for the censor list.

Re: Interactive Schedule

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:42:00 GMT

Geoff wrote:
Can anyone confirm that this bug is still present in ArchiCAD 10 (1010)? Specifically, when I exclude one layer it works fine but try to exclude two and neither are excluded.

And another thing. Why aren't Zone Name and Zone No. available as criteria?

Hi Geoff,

This is a design flaw in the IS - not a bug (you know how that goes! ) and you/we should bring this up with GS.

Your criteria are incorrect which is why it is not working. You have "is not layer x" OR "is not layer y". So, if something is in x, it is not in y, so the criteria is true. Ditto the reverse or any other layer.

What you (and we) want is "is not in layer x" AND "is not in layer y".

But, we cannot say that. To get an "AND", you add a new criteria... BUT...the designers did not think this through very well: once you use on criteria type (eg, Element Type, Layer, etc), you cannot use it again!

Since you cannot specify multiple exclusions via an AND operator... the only option is to specify multiple inclusions via the OR...which is just ridiculous, as one would have to specify every layer except the excluded ones, and if a new layer is added in the future, the schedule would break without further editing.

So - serious design flaw IMHO - which deserves priority attention from GS.

Re: zones name and number - once you have added "Element Type is Zone", and that is highlighted, you can click on the "Additional Paramters" button and find the name and number in the associated zone stamp.

Now, that said... the Element Schedules (I.S.) in 10 do not allow you to filter objects by zones, for example. If you filter Element Type is Object, then there is no option to add another criteria that is by Zone - if somebody wanted all objects contained within particular zones, for example. This is...another design flaw IMHO

HTH,
Karl