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Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

TMA_80 — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:26:11 GMT

Hi!

Ok, i know, I'm posting too much "other products" links....at least we keep updated ( Autodesk is even launching 2011 products !?)

So an update to the last year post 😉 :

Revit 2011
http://autodesk-revit.blogspot.com/2010/03/whats-new-in-revt-architecture-2011.html

this version seems to fix the ui interface problem, complete the "missing" options for the new freeform modeling tool (which i think is great) ...(no multithreading yet ?! )..and textured view option ...etc.

Autocad2011
http://www.cadalyst.com/cad/autocad/autocad-2011-a-look-what039s-new-13200

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:35:33 GMT

This release is huge, really huge. I think they have almost bridge the gap with Archicad. Archicad has always been a few release ahead of Revit, but with this release, Revit is almost on the same playing field as Archicad.

http://autodesk-revit.blogspot.com/
http://bimboom.blogspot.com/
http://www.youtube.com/user/AutodeskBuilding
http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bz01oraxIz0ZZDYxMmM3M2MtNjgwZi00NjI3LTkxMzMtZjFmNzE0NjVhOGM4&sort=name&layout=list

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:11:46 GMT

lets cry together

i love Adaptive Components

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

TMA_80 — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 10:08:32 GMT

Yes Blobmeister, Autodesk in term of parametric modeling tool has a great advantage over its concurents , they have recruited the person behind generative componenst and IMHO "he"* is acheiving great things in Revit ( it's almost the "intelligent" freeform modeling I imagined GS would acheive )...

this said there are also things that should be fixed in Revit, even in area where it seems ahead (3d) , working in the 3d window ( except for the concptual massing tool ) is not as developped yet as in ArchiCAD. however , Autodesk is "beginning" to solve the problem in this version (but not rnough to work in the 3d window imho) .
* to confirm

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:43:11 GMT

So the ever-rabid sales-driven world of Autode$k is calling this ArchicadFAIL...

See http://bimboom.blogspot.com/2010/03/archicadfail-forum-post-and-comparison.html

While this is not the official voice of Autodesk, I think there's more than just a warning shot that's been fired across your collective bow.

There are some of you on this forum who use ArchiCAD so that you stay clear of the Autodesk realm - that's fine. Good on you! But at the same time, Revit's development is continuing at a steady rate. I can say nothing about Revit 2011 (we're beta testing it) except that I expect it to be very popular with users -- and 2011 will look even more tempting to would-be buyers than any prior release. The new "adaptive components" are pretty cool, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute the release of these components to the arrival of Robert Aish at Autodesk: the programming crew at Autodesk were more than capable of this sort of thing without Aish!

Autodesk wants nothing more than complete world domination. So: Graphisoft needs to pull out the stops now. I don't really know where Revit is weakest -- perhaps IFC and Revit MEP, which is still not yet a mature product compared to other apps out there, though in North America, the MEP market is largely still using AutoCAD, so it's likely they'll migrate to Revit MEP before any superior products that are out there.

Whatever. I'd like to see the playing field leveled better in North America, and I'd like to see AC continue its development and maintain its success as the first building modeler for the PC.

Go ArchiCAD go!

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

David Larrew — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 01:37:40 GMT

metanoia wrote:
So the ever-rabid sales-driven world of Autode$k is calling this ArchicadFAIL...

See http://bimboom.blogspot.com/2010/03/archicadfail-forum-post-and-comparison.html

While this is not the official voice of Autodesk, I think there's more than just a warning shot that's been fired across your collective bow.

This is why most ArchiCAD users (like myself) don't follow the Revit blogs... They are mostly regurgitating the Autodesk rhetoric that is used by their sales force. Most of this guy's "ArchiCADFAIL" comparisons are false or incorrect.

I have reviewed Revit 2010 both Architecture and MEP (haven't seen 2011 yet)... I still don't see how Revit users can compare their product with ArchiCAD without even downloading the free trial version to do "accurate" comparisons.

There have been some interesting threads in a couple of different LinkedIn groups that have users openly debating the different software packages. These threads give more believable comparisons than the ones you read on the Revit or Autodesk-sponsored blogs.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:27:39 GMT

Heh -- well, Greg Arkin's blog is good for tracking new product releases from Autodesk. But I did chuckle at the FAIL post 😉

It does show that what you complain about here will be used as fodder by your competitors.

And it's part of why I'm here too: to keep the story straight. You can't always believe what you read...

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

David Larrew — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:27:45 GMT

Wes,

I (and I'm not alone) have always appreciated and respected your posts here (as well as other sites). I am always trying to objectively research other software alternatives and technologies that will better my chosen profession. Your objectivity between ArchiCAD and Revit has always been a good basis for discussions and debate. Keep up the good (and objective) fight.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Rod Jurich — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:43:12 GMT

David wrote:
Wes,

I (and I'm not alone) have always appreciated and respected your posts here (as well as other sites). I am always trying to objectively research other software alternatives and technologies that will better my chosen profession. Your objectivity between ArchiCAD and Revit has always been a good basis for discussions and debate. Keep up the good (and objective) fight.

Second that.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:03:58 GMT

Rod wrote:
David wrote:
Wes,

I (and I'm not alone) have always appreciated and respected your posts here (as well as other sites). I am always trying to objectively research other software alternatives and technologies that will better my chosen profession. Your objectivity between ArchiCAD and Revit has always been a good basis for discussions and debate. Keep up the good (and objective) fight.
Second that.

I "third" that.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:40:37 GMT

I don’t know in the United Sates, but here in Puerto Rico a wave of change to Archicad is on the way, I don’t know why, but happens right now. That’s no bull.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 23:14:15 GMT

naranjo01 wrote:
I don’t know in the United Sates, but here in Puerto Rico a wave of change to Archicad is on the way, I don’t know why, but happens right now. That’s no bull.

What do you mean?

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Stress Co_ — Thu, 01 Apr 2010 02:09:27 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Rod wrote:
David wrote:
Wes,

I (and I'm not alone) have always appreciated and respected your posts here (as well as other sites). I am always trying to objectively research other software alternatives and technologies that will better my chosen profession. Your objectivity between ArchiCAD and Revit has always been a good basis for discussions and debate. Keep up the good (and objective) fight.
Second that.
I "third" that.

4th.
Thanks for you insight Wes... been meaning to say that for a long time.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Ernest Atanasiu — Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:32:47 GMT

metanoia wrote:
So the ever-rabid sales-driven world of Autode$k is calling this ArchicadFAIL...

See http://bimboom.blogspot.com/2010/03/archicadfail-forum-post-and-comparison.html

While this is not the official voice of Autodesk, I think there's more than just a warning shot that's been fired across your collective bow.

what a BS post!

it's like buying the software for the marketing department.
hellooo! we are architects, and we have other criteria to evaluate a software.

1. we don't use a software because it's 'worldwide adopted'. we like to use intuitive and innovative tools.
2. Revit content is waay too expensive. Like 500 USD for some ikea models. who needs them?
3. MEP calculations done by architects? what next? we will also have to excavate and lay bricks?
4. IES, Ecotect and GBS were 'developed' by autodesk or were 'acquired'?
5. do contractors use revit? don't think so, maybe autocad. anyway, why should we choose our tools based on contractor's tools? shouldn't this be the other way around?
6. was navisworks developed by autodesk? is it free? why do I need another product to detect clashes? why can't revit do that?
7. OMG! there will be 3 million revit users out there. good thing not all of them will be architects!
8. again, autodesk product line is made 95% of products that were bought, not developed.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:18:28 GMT

what a BS post!

it's like buying the software for the marketing department.
hellooo! we are architects, and we have other criteria to evaluate a software.

1. we don't use a software because it's 'worldwide adopted'. we like to use intuitive and innovative tools.
2. Revit content is waay too expensive. Like 500 USD for some ikea models. who needs them?
3. MEP calculations done by architects? what next? we will also have to excavate and lay bricks?
4. IES, Ecotect and GBS were 'developed' by autodesk or were 'acquired'?
5. do contractors use revit? don't think so, maybe autocad. anyway, why should we choose our tools based on contractor's tools? shouldn't this be the other way around?
6. was navisworks developed by autodesk? is it free? why do I need another product to detect clashes? why can't revit do that?
7. OMG! there will be 3 million revit users out there. good thing not all of them will be architects!
8. again, autodesk product line is made 95% of products that were bought, not developed.

Hello All,

My first post here so please be gentle.

To answer some of your points impartially from a general BIM perspective.

1. A lot of the time management will decide what platform to use based on more decisions than just the Arch's ease of use (sorry)

2. Revit content 'can' be expensive but there is always the argument that it is easier to create/adapt in the first place than GDL

3. MEP calcs are being done by multi-discipline firms now at the earliest stages of design. Many firms I work with are contemplating how BIM will change the structure of their firms and seeking to look outside the box from a business sense. i.e. Do we merge with other firms?

4. Does it matter if a technology was acquired or developed? Seems to be a moot point. (IES is not Autodesk, yet...)

5. I can tell you that yes contractors I work with are using Revit and many other BIM tools, they will use what is best for the project delivery and if that means doing a design-build with Arch/Strc/MEP using one platform then they will. This is my experience.

6. Revit can do clashes with other linked Revit models without buying Navisworks. This also makes a compelling argument to buy all one platform.

7. You can't argue with a strong network of like users, support is a major concern for many users. I am in the middle east and many firms are choosing platforms based on the support on the ground out here. Some vendors are not servicing the market, plain and simple.

8. See point 4. moot point when you consider the user base and support network these products bring with them on each acquisition.

I hope I haven't offended anyone with my first post. Please consider me on the same page as Wes 😉 I am an interoperability proponent first and foremost.

Cheers,
Dan

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Nando Mogollon — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 14:59:06 GMT

dandharma wrote:
Please consider me on the same page as Wes 😉 I am an interoperability proponent first and foremost.

Cheers,
Dan

I agree.... Interoperability is the key....We need to wait and see if it's going to be IFC - IFCXML or something in between.....

Definitely not PLNs or RVTs... as good as AC or Revit can be.

Cheers

Nando

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Ernest Atanasiu — Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:54:24 GMT

don't take me wrong. i do not advocate for AC (i will for a reasonable fee ).
i just felt like an AC long-time user whose BIM manager has just told him he has to switch to revit, giving me those reasons. that is: fooled, tricked, duped.

knowing how an architectural software should perform (AC isn't yet perfect) I can say that those are not the reasons to choose such a software.

You should take a look at this survey: in december 2009 33% of european architects were solo-practice, 18% were in 2 person practice, 26% in 3 - 5 people practice. Total: 77% of architects which don't have a BIM manager, because they don't need one.

Yes, we need interoperability. But first we need a platform to work on.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Wed, 07 Apr 2010 14:38:00 GMT

outpostarc wrote:
naranjo01 wrote:
I don’t know in the United Sates, but here in Puerto Rico a wave of change to Archicad is on the way, I don’t know why, but happens right now. That’s no bull.
What do you mean?

Migrating from Revit to Archicad..

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 04:02:44 GMT

I have use both revit and archicad. And I find that revit develop their render engine. In Revit 2008 they use accurender, but in revit 2009 they start to use mental ray. This make a gap between archicad and revit. Different from revit, archicad doesn't develop their render engine. I think if archicad use mental ray ot would be great. Because many people in my country proud of revit because its render.

Re: Revit 2011 & Autocad 2011

Mats_Knutsson — Tue, 13 Apr 2010 06:10:20 GMT

Andri wrote:
I have use both revit and archicad. And I find that revit develop their render engine. In Revit 2008 they use accurender, but in revit 2009 they start to use mental ray. This make a gap between archicad and revit. Different from revit, archicad doesn't develop their render engine. I think if archicad use mental ray ot would be great. Because many people in my country proud of revit because its render.

Apart from the obvoius fact that ArchiCAD soon will have a new rendering engine I look at the huge base of single person or small companies that can't affort having their bulk designing tool render for half the day. There is a reason ArtLantis is popular. IF....a rendering engine inside the cad-program would be extremely fast...then OK...