topic Re: Door ID in Collaboration with other software

Door ID

Steve Jepson — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:01:12 GMT

I want my door ID to be based on several things.

Width & Height, panel type, panel thickness, jamb depth, hand, lock set or passage, pre-hung or not, fire rating, story, room, etc...

I can sort my doors by these criteria with the Schedule scheme settings, however, I can not seem to get the door ID's to be based on the same criteria.

If any one of my schedule scheme settings is different, then the door ID must be different too.

Is this possible or not? If not, the schedule is useless.

I need a good door schedule for house plans.

What are you using for this, or are you?

Re: Door ID

TomWaltz — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:40:51 GMT

I'm not sure I understand.... do you have anything more graphic about how you want your IDs to be different in each schedule?

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:09:14 GMT

I have too many doors with the same ID that should have their own ID because they are different.

I am thinking that this is because I have not been able to refiene the criteria for generating door ID's well enough to match the differences that show up in the door schedule. Or is there some better way?

This is a crude example. It is the schedule I want to add some things too and edit some more. I think you can see what I mean. The door ID's should be different for some of these doors.

Perhaps the problem is that I am using ID's in my door markers. ?

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:18:19 GMT

in the floor plan, take a look at doors #7. One of them is in a 2x6 exterior wall and needs a 6 9/16" jamb. The others are in 2x4 walls and have 4 9/16" jambs. In the garage I am using 5/8 Type X and will want a 6 11/16" jamb.

I do not know how to get the door ID's to be different for this type of thing. I am sure there must be a setting for this somewhere.

Is the settings for this made in the Element ID Manager or in Scheme Settings, or both ?

note: I am using labels for the builder dimensions too, to keep a client happy.

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:43:43 GMT

I think Available Criteria is the problem.

The list of Available Criteria is not sufficient to make a useable door schedule. The door schedule is being generated as a list to order the doors from. I dont care that the Available Criteria list can show pen #, subfloor thickness, etc...

If it doesn't help my client in ordering the doors, it is not useful criteria for the door schedule I want to make.

Is there a way to add to the Available Criteria in the Element ID Manager ? We need at least the critial things that make each door ID differnt, other wise the schedule is usless.

I am I going about this all wrong ?

Re: Door ID

Richard Morrison — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:37:33 GMT

Steve,

I've found it's just easier to let the schedule do the sorting and then reassign the ID numbers from the schedule. Only takes a few minutes. Trying to get the Element ID Manager to be intelligent enough to do this will be difficult, I think.

The other approach is to consider gving each door a unique ID. Although this makes for a longer schedule, it often ends up often having less confusion as to where a particular door goes if there is a particular wrinkle about a door that didn't make it into the schedule sorting criteria, like a slightly different hardware set or weatherstripping.

Re: Door ID

TomWaltz — Tue, 31 Oct 2006 18:43:19 GMT

The Element ID Manager.... well... it's not my favorite tool in the world.

I tend to think of the Element ID as any other parameter, like width or material. It sounds like you are trying to make them interactive and based on other parameters in the object. It's definitely not how they actually function... would you expect a wall to get taller if you changed it to brick instead of stucco? No... nor will the Element IDs change based on other parameters.

I think what you want is a good idea... but it's probably more of a wishlist item than a reality right now.

Personally, I manually enter my IDs into the door (Type A, Type B) or (101A, 102A, 102B, etc....). I don't love it, but it works.

Re: Door ID

Stress Co_ — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:58:20 GMT

Off topic... Steve. what font are you using?

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:22:31 GMT

Marc,

The font is called ArchiTEXT.

It is my #2 favorite.

I like SPHAND best. It is an old font from SoftPlan. 1985 or so I think. Still in my computer. Still my favorite.

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:28:52 GMT

Richard,

You are right. That is probably the best way to go about what I am after.
Thanks.

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:28:46 GMT

Tom,

I don't care if the criteria for sorting doors is interactive or not.

I just want to sort the doors according to the criteria that makes them unique from the other doors in my door schedule. This is not too much to ask. If the door is different, it needs to have its own ID.

The only thing that keeps this from being possible for me is that the Available Criteria for doors in the Elements ID Manager is in sufficient to generate an ID unique enough for a useful door schedule.

It seems like it would be a very small thing for Graphisoft to fix.
Perhaps they don't need too. There may be a better way to coordinate the door ID's with the Schedule than this. I just don't know of one.

The test for what should be in a door schedule is simple...Can you order the doors and hardware from the data in the door schedule or not?

The Available Criteria for doors is only missing a few items. It has plenty of items which are useless for generating ID's for a door schedule, but it lacks the the ones I need.

Fortunately, I can at least construct a work-around.
There are enough items available from the list so that I can give every door that needs a unique ID some setting that can be used in sorting them. This is more trouble than just making a schedule manually.

Unfortunately, this has to be something like pen# for the door swing, instead of something useful like the type of Door Panel. Renaming the doors with there own Library Part Name, or giving it a special fill are other things from the available criteria that could be used to help sort door ID's.

I would be happy if the doors could be sorted by only one more item than they can be now. Door Panel. That's the only other thing I need.
I would be willing to take care of the other items with notes.

A minimum list of available criteria in the Elements ID Manager for doors should include all of settings a door can be configured for.
Same goes for windows, and any other object that can be labeled with and ID.

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:26:35 GMT

I have found an acceptable solution.
It is essentially just as Richard has already recommended.

Start with the Schedule first. List every item that will generate a need for a unique ID. Don't worry about whether or not you want the items in the schedule.

Select all the doors you want in that schedule, use the ID Manager to assign the ID's as well as you can given the limited Available Criteria.

Now go back to the Schedule where you can see all of the different criteria and manually change the ID's. Then remove the items you don't want to show up on your schedule.
....Bob's your uncle.

I still want the ID Manager to have and better list of Available Criteria because (at least with version 9) you could select the items in the sequence you wanted them to ID'd.

This was a handy tool for maintaining a logical order of ID's for things.
Can you still do this now in 10?

Re: Door ID

Aussie John — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:31:54 GMT

Richard wrote:
Steve,

I've found it's just easier to let the schedule do the sorting and then reassign the ID numbers from the schedule. Only takes a few minutes. Trying to get the Element ID Manager to be intelligent enough to do this will be difficult, I think.

The other approach is to consider gving each door a unique ID. Although this makes for a longer schedule, it often ends up often having less confusion as to where a particular door goes if there is a particular wrinkle about a door that didn't make it into the schedule sorting criteria, like a slightly different hardware set or weatherstripping.

My desire is for unique IDs but grouping if all other items are the same. Eg show a pic of that door type and all of the IDs belonging to this type. Alas this is not possible by any method I know.

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:20:49 GMT

not automatically, but it can't be that hard.

What if you just label your schedule with a picture from the manufacture of the doors in that schedule?

You can make a label with a picture of anything.
My HD5's for example have a label that is a picture from the Simpson catalog. Labels can be pre-drawn details. No drawing anymore. Just place your item and drag its label (detail) to the appropriate spot.

Make a schedule for each type of door you want to have a picture/label.

You could also drag your door labels over next to the appropriate picture.
You can make label look exactly like your door markers too.

I am using door markers and door labels at the same time with my doors. Markers for door ID and labels for builder notation.

If you drag your door markers or labels over to an empty door schedule they will automatically update there just as well as in a regular schedule.

One advantage of this is that schedules have to be placed in Layout now instead of in Model View. What if you want to print from Model View with schedules ?

Re: Door ID

LiHigh — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:31:22 GMT

Steve, If this what that you are looking for?

Re: Door ID

Steve Jepson — Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:35:53 GMT

no. you would not be able to place an order for the doors using that schedule.