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AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

TMA_80 — Sat, 22 May 2010 22:15:29 GMT

it's almost here:

http://www.macstories.net/news/first-screenshots-of-autocad-for-mac/

I can assume we should hear the same thing for Revit ...GS be careful ! .

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Bricklyne Clarence — Sun, 23 May 2010 00:09:26 GMT

TMA_80 wrote:
it's almost here:

http://www.macstories.net/news/first-screenshots-of-autocad-for-mac/

I can assume we should hear the same thing for Revit ...GS be careful ! .

McNeel are also scheduled to release a Mac-Native Rhino3d version for their next version (Rhino 5 ; already in open beta on both Mac and PC platforms).

So coupled with this, I also don't think a Mac native Revit version should be that far behind.

And when you consider all this, combined with a weak ArchiCAD 14 release by GS, then yes, they are definitely looking down the barrel of a gun. Especially if they don't deliver a compelling enough new version next year (and I mean light-years ahead in terms of improvements and user-wishlist requests fulfilled) for version 15.

For all intents and purposes version 14 doesn't qualify as an actual upgrade - more like a maintenance update (version 13.1). And a lot of the users who've previously refrained from switching over to the Autodesk side, due to lack of Mac Native products, are soon (sooner than we think it seems) going to have more viable options and less reason to have to stick with GS.

I can't help but wonder, looking down the road, if this Mac-AutoCAD is successful and well received, how long before Autodesk decide to port over some of their other big applications like 3ds MAX (Maya is already dual platform), Inventor and the like.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

vistasp — Sun, 23 May 2010 08:04:01 GMT

Hmmm... At least one long-time Autodesk watcher thinks this is a fake. On the other hand, the guy who posted the grabs has almost 6000 posts on the italiamac forum - so one would think he'd not risk his reputation on a hoax.

Will be interesting to see where the truth lies. 😉

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Sun, 23 May 2010 12:32:37 GMT

At the last Autodesk University keynote presentation, they explicitly mentioned that most Autodesk products including Revit, 3ds Max & Autocad will be mac compatible.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

TMA_80 — Sun, 23 May 2010 13:47:12 GMT

vistasp wrote:
Hmmm... At least one long-time Autodesk watcher thinks this is a fake. On the other hand, the guy who posted the grabs has almost 6000 posts on the italiamac forum - so one would think he'd not risk his reputation on a hoax.

Will be interesting to see where the truth lies. 😉

it's also mentioned on the archdaily website

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Sun, 23 May 2010 20:38:19 GMT

blobmeister wrote:
At the last Autodesk University keynote presentation, they explicitly mentioned that most Autodesk products including Revit, 3ds Max & Autocad will be mac compatible.

This may refer to running in VM as a supported config. I think I heard something about that. AFAIK the registration problem in Boot Camp still exists. You'd think if they were really interested in the Mac market they would at least fix that.

Of course if they really are planning to port the line to Mac that could get interesting.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

TMA_80 — Sun, 23 May 2010 20:59:58 GMT

Matthew wrote:
blobmeister wrote:
At the last Autodesk University keynote presentation, they explicitly mentioned that most Autodesk products including Revit, 3ds Max & Autocad will be mac compatible.
This may refer to running in VM as a supported config. I think I heard something about that.

that's what can be understood from here
http://architosh.com/2009/07/autodesk-expands-support-for-mac-users/

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Sun, 23 May 2010 21:03:03 GMT

TMA_80 wrote:
Matthew wrote:
blobmeister wrote:
At the last Autodesk University keynote presentation, they explicitly mentioned that most Autodesk products including Revit, 3ds Max & Autocad will be mac compatible.
This may refer to running in VM as a supported config. I think I heard something about that.
that's what can be understood from here
http://architosh.com/2009/07/autodesk-expands-support-for-mac-users/

Good news! Thanks. Maybe it was my complaints that pushed them over the edge 😉

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Sun, 23 May 2010 21:10:29 GMT

Check out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pDf4nFzbw

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Tue, 25 May 2010 03:00:02 GMT

i wonder how far away Revit for mac is??? (gasp)

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Tue, 25 May 2010 13:27:37 GMT

I would watch the API. As soon as it moves away from the Microsoft .NET that would be an indication of Mac possibility.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Chazz — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:05:16 GMT

AutoDesk put out a survey about a Mac port last year and when I filled it out I tried to emphasize to them to forget about ACad and focus on Revit for Mac. Perhaps others did too.

If they do this I think it will almost unequivocally spell the end for ArchiCAD. I know it will for me personally. This is thrilling news.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Erika Epstein — Tue, 25 May 2010 16:32:47 GMT

Chazz wrote:
If they do this I think it will almost unequivocally spell the end for ArchiCAD. I know it will for me personally. This is thrilling news.

So you would switch to an inferior product that costs more?

Is that what the "Central cost" in your profile refers to?

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Chazz — Tue, 25 May 2010 17:00:19 GMT

Erika wrote:
So you would switch to an inferior product that costs more?

When I switched to AC in 1992, it was in many ways an inferior product and it was very expensive. What it had was a superior philosophy and momentum. These are the only two things that really matter: Philosophy and momentum. I'm sure there are things that AC does better than Revit, but given the relative development momentum of the two companies, this will probably be short-lived.

As to the question of cost, I think this is sort of irrelevant (so long as you have the scratch to get into the game). Your investment in time learning the tool makes the investment in cash almost beside the point. I think the bigger downside to switching to Revit is the draconian licensing policy that AutoDesk has been able to force on its users. However, as many here have pointed out, GS is slowly heading down the same path.

Perhaps most importantly, your investments of time and money in Revit can be much more effectively leveraged in the open market. Try this: do a Craigslist Job search in any region in the world for ArchiCAD and another for Revit. You will find that almost everywhere, there are vastly more opportunities for folks with Revit skills compared with ArchiCAD (Archiwhat?). If this does not speak to the seismic shift that has occurred in the last few years, nothing does.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 25 May 2010 17:43:56 GMT

As usual, I'm on the same page as Chazz.

(And, I think his "Central Cost" location is/was a pretty funny pun/barb at living in the Central Coast of California, which is a rather expensive place to be. If not, then at least I enjoy my interpretation. 🙂 )

Cheers,
Karl

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Brett Brown — Tue, 25 May 2010 21:32:03 GMT

Erika wrote:

So you would switch to an inferior product that costs more?

Wrong on both counts Erika, especially coming from Archicad. If you compare both in the basics of an supposed BIM program, Revit wins hands down. As it has been said before both have there strengths and weaknesses, doesn't everybody, but overall Revit is easier to use,more logical in thinking etc,etc.

As for the cost, Autodesk has a Cross Grade incentive, (which GS use to have as well but as usual stopped) which gives you the Revit Suite (Revit Architecture,Autocad,Autocad Architecture) for 50% of the normal fee.

Also the Subscription Fee is cheaper than Archicads and you get 3 programs. At least when paying a Subscription for Revit you know from past versions that the following version will be well worth it, (because they listen to users) especially compared to GS's record in the last 3 years.

Perhaps you can tell us why Tom Waltz changed his firm to an "Inferior" product?

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Tue, 25 May 2010 22:18:55 GMT

Brett wrote:
Perhaps you can tell us why Tom Waltz changed his firm to an "Inferior" product?

If I remember correctly, the firm he worked at at the time was bought out and the new owners mandated it.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Brett Brown — Tue, 25 May 2010 22:24:39 GMT

Michael wrote:
If I remember correctly, the firm he worked at at the time was bought out and the new owners mandated it.

Might be so but his posts on Archicad verses Revit on Augi support the switch wholeheartly.

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Erika Epstein — Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:44 GMT

Tom now works for Bentley

Re: AutoCad , Back to MAC (beta screenshots) !

Anonymous — Wed, 26 May 2010 01:45:01 GMT

Bret wrote:
"which gives you the Revit Suite (Revit Architecture,Autocad,Autocad Architecture) for 50% of the normal fee. "
Yep, but then I believe you MUST pay a yearly fee or your program STOPS.
This could be quite the bummer with a low cash flow moment and deadline looming.
Does anyone know differently?
It's been twenty yrs since I used Autocad (Autocad9/dos).
lec