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ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 06:39:17 GMT

I have to make decision - to by ArchiCAD 12 or ARCHline.XP 2009 - both of them are great programs, but difference in price is large ~1000 €.

Can you tell me why to buy one of them but not the other?

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:27:34 GMT

No one reply .

Can You just see these videos and tell me what ArchiCAD can do and what cannot:

http://72.14.221.132/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.archlinexp.cc/it/servizi-download/downloads/video-tutorial.html&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhiob7GlKoiV7y46fzTrSiEFJ73Quw

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Thomas Holm — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:46:42 GMT

OK. I just did a quick check of the Archline web site. Seems to me Archicad can do almost everything Archline can, and then a lot, with the exception of raster to vector conversion.

I'd say it essentially cooks down to what it always does - you get what you pay for!

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:58:53 GMT

Archicad can do almost everything Archline.xp can, but for that I need to pay extra - Cigraph's addons.

I did not decide yet - right now I have problem with ArchiCAD and window decoration - it is not possible to add architrave, with my on profile to window.

As time pass, I have feeling that ArchiCAD is not worth of 3500 €.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

stefan — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:06:29 GMT

Thorn wrote:
Archicad can do almost everything Archline.xp can, but for that I need to pay extra - Cigraph's addons.

I did not decide yet - right now I have problem with ArchiCAD and window decoration - it is not possible to add architrave, with my on profile to window.

As time pass, I have feeling that ArchiCAD is not worth of 3500 €.

You could support the Hungarian economy by going with ArchiCAD 😉

Anyway, it is worth €3500 since I paid a lot more when I bought it in 1998 (or 1999?). I think the only program on an equal level is Revit.

But be sure to do some proper training too when you start using it.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 07:16:06 GMT

Oh hell! ArchiLINE XP 2009 is only f****g intelliCAD based application and nothing more.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:21:13 GMT

crazyASD wrote:
Oh hell! ArchiLINE XP 2009 is only f****g intelliCAD based application and nothing more.

You are wrong - it has nothing with intellicad. CadLine programers are ex-graphisoft programers.

stefan wrote:
You could support the Hungarian economy by going with ArchiCAD Wink

Cadline is Hungarian company, too

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Djordje — Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:36:51 GMT

Thorn wrote:
Can You just see these videos and tell me what ArchiCAD can do and what cannot:

Neither ArchiCAD not ArchLineXP can do anything.

It is a question of what YOU can do using them.

Has always been, will always be.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:14:34 GMT

Nevermind.

We made decision yesterday - our choice is Revit.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:47:27 GMT

You are wrong - it has nothing with intellicad. CadLine programers are ex-graphisoft programers.

I hope... But this looks as typical intelliCAD app...

We made decision yesterday - our choice is Revit.

Revit is sux. I guarantee it.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Djordje — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:52:24 GMT

Thorn wrote:
Nevermind.

We made decision yesterday - our choice is Revit.

Why?

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Erika Epstein — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:24:06 GMT

Djordje wrote:
Thorn wrote:
Nevermind.

We made decision yesterday - our choice is Revit.
Why?

Ditto, Why?

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Rakela Raul — Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:12:20 GMT

why?
there r alot of people here ditto'g

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:14:07 GMT

Thorn wrote:
Nevermind.

We made decision yesterday - our choice is Revit.

Why? Sure would be interesting to see the A3 (Lean) sheet on that decision. As time goes by, it will be a sheet for your firm to hang on the wall to remind you how you got to where you will be.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Brett Brown — Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:36:48 GMT

Simple, They probably realised that they would have to buy all the extra addons from Encina,Cigraph and Cadimage to bring Archicad up to what Revit can do out of the box. And seeing what the standard simple things that are still missing in AC 13 and are already in Revit, the decision seems easy to me.

Lets face it, Archicad, without all those addons just can't compete.

Look out Graphisoft, with the addition of API to Revit (which they didn't need). There is already some fantastic addons available, and of course made by Kiwis.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:52:18 GMT

Main reason is that our co-operants using Revit.

Yesterday we decided to, besides Revit, buy Archline.XP not ArchiCAD, because we get more for less money - maybe we don't have graphisoft's gdl objects, but we have parametric objects, online libraries and most of cigraph's addons.

It is a question of what YOU can do using them.

Yes - it is question - with Archline I can do almost everything I can do with Archicad and more... That is main reason why we will take Archline.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 16:14:53 GMT

Thorn wrote:
Main reason is that our co-operants using Revit.

Yesterday we decided to, besides Revit, buy Archline.XP [...]

It is a question of what YOU can do using them.
Yes - it is question - with Archline I can do almost everything I can do with Archicad and more... That is main reason why we will take Archline.

I appreciate your candor. Your firm can still benefit from writing out an A3 on the evals you've done and the decisions made. Ideally, these are done sooner rather than later, so the true decision mechanism and important factors can be appreciated later. I am curious as to the requirements met by Archline but not by Revit; i.e., why ArchLine and Revit?

I take it that the bulk of your projects are under 150ksf and that your interest in the "I" of BIM are minimal. (Is that correct?)

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Rakela Raul — Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:47:50 GMT

I take it that the bulk of your projects are under 150ksf and that your interest in the "I" of BIM are minimal.

I didnt know that Archiline and Revit cannot handle projects abv 150ksf....if I understood correctly..thx good to know.
I rather Virtual Building for Archicad and not BIM.....someone might question the 'M' as you question others 'I'.

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:15:07 GMT

what is "150ksf" and why you thing that archline is not BIM, if I understand you correctly?

Re: ARCHline.XP 2009 or ArchiCAD 12?

Anonymous — Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:06:37 GMT

Thorn asked:

what is "150ksf" and why you thing that archline is not BIM, if I understand you correctly?

'150ksf' stands for '150,000 square feet' or '150kilo-square-feet'

Rakela Raul said, among other things:

I didnt know that Archiline and Revit cannot handle projects abv 150ksf....if I understood correctly.

AFAIK, they can. I know nothing about Archline.
About Revit, it's clear that it has substantial difficulty handling large projects, especially where substantial information is needed. My point was about the majority of the projects being done in a specific size range.