topic cost or price in quantity bill in Collaboration with other software

cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:32:53 GMT

how i can add price or cost to quantity bill in : 1-normal quantity bill
2 - if i have complex wall how i can put price for every material please i need it >>>>>>>>>> see the attachement

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:19:21 GMT

You cannot do this with the interactive schedule. (You can export that into Excel and do it there.)

If you want ArchiCAD to do the math, you have to use the List Schemes, which involves setting up property objects and/or scripts. Talked about at length in many threads here...and Eric Wilk has a book out just for doing quantity take-offs with ArchiCAD, but it is not an easy thing.

There is also a wishlist item for adding the ability to add user data and do math in the interactive schedules.

Karl

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:08:41 GMT

hi
where can i get this book?

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 03:27:28 GMT

SORANO wrote:
hi
where can i get this book?

Just Google it... here is one option at 45 euro:

http://www.boutique-fc-cadlink.com/fccllfr001-p-29.html

Note that the book is available in English or French, so when you order, choose the language you are most comfortable with.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:53:55 GMT

Can you do this in ArchiQuant by any chance?
I mean, once you create a composite wall structure, can you assign different cost per UoM to each layer (plaster, bricks etc.) of the structure?

nourqueen85 wrote:
how i can add price or cost to quantity bill in : 1-normal quantity bill
2 - if i have complex wall how i can put price for every material please i need it >>>>>>>>>> see the attachement

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

KeesW — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:32:00 GMT

Enrico
Yes you can do it in ArchiQuant. It is worth looking at if you want to use quantities for small projects. I have it but don't know how it performs on large jobs. I bought it because I thought that it would be useful to do initial estimates for sketch designs. In AQ one can allocate rates to floors, walls, roofs and every element in between. rates have to be linked to the components you are drawing but once they are connected, cost schedules are easily, and automatically, produced.

No I haven't finished creating the standard elements and the rates due to lack of time. It is on my to-do list and I'll let you know how it goes.

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:07:42 GMT

Enrico wrote:
Can you do this in ArchiQuant by any chance?
I mean, once you create a composite wall structure, can you assign different cost per UoM to each layer (plaster, bricks etc.) of the structure?

Yes, easily.

ArchiQuant is allmost perfect for this.

You learn it in ten minutes, and you can build a simple data base (by main building element) from scratch in one hour.

You can also build other data bases, like cost per m2 for zones, or even the costs you want - by element.

This way, you can extract costs anytime you want, which can be very helpful to make informed design decisions.

I have used it on 2000 m2 projects, and it is very robust.

The only downside is beeping an add-on. If it where integrated into ArchiCAD, it would be perfect.

You should also take a peek at the new VICO Office.

VICO - formerly owned by Graphisoft - had a suite which included a modeler software, constructor (archicad really), but their recent move has been to make a "neutral" platform where you can import a model from ArchiCAD, Tekla or Revit, and assign a database to it.

VICO Suite is much more than a estimating tool, because it allows you to manage construction from the model (which resource goes where when).

But their VICO Client (extracting quantities from model) and VICO Takeoff Manager are enough for the design team purposes.
http://www.vicosoftware.com/products/vico-takeoff-quantities/tabid/87063/Default.aspx

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Sun, 29 Jul 2018 23:00:37 GMT

This ArchiQuant thingie; it's not available for ArchiCAD-21?..or 22?

Are there any alternatives?

I want to assign each material a cost per square meter.

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

felcunha — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:19:24 GMT

You can find it into cigraph site. I'm not sure it will keep working in AC22 because the way it generates lists is going to change...

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Erwin Edel — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:52:05 GMT

Don't have ArchiCAD22 yet, but with the new expression defined properties, seems to me it should be possible to do in ArchiCAD now?

Maybe someone with hands on experience can share some insights.

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:30:51 GMT

felcunha wrote:
You can find it into cigraph site. I'm not sure it will keep working in AC22 because the way it generates lists is going to change...

Not sure what you mean, cause on the download page, the highest supported ArchiCAD version is 20:
http://www.cigraph.it/en/node/101

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

poco2013 — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 16:52:16 GMT

FYI

If you just have a small number of material quantities that you want to track. You may want to check out expressions in 22. Basically you'll just make up a property constant for EACH material (surface or Building Material) that you want to track. Then make up a cost calculation for any object (wall) that contains a particular skin or material. Put all those calculations into the sequence section of the expression and it will select the appropriate one and ignore the rest. So for any object (wall) you could calculate the # of bricks, ft of siding , gals of paint, sheathing, nails, etc. Then create a total in the interactive schedule.

I say small number because expressions can not address a database, so you would need an expression value for every condition anticipated (not practical). Also, generally you would use, as a base, the net surface property. However, net surface is not available for walls with multiple skins, as in a pony wail. SO -- a bad limitation.

Archicad has released a video and a help topic on the use of the Sequence tool in expressions. There is also a video on YouTube on simple keynotes that uses this process.

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 23:07:43 GMT

poco2013 wrote:
FYI

If you just have a small number of material quantities that you want to track. You may want to check out expressions in 22. Basically you'll just make up a property constant for EACH material (surface or Building Material) that you want to track. Then make up a cost calculation for any object (wall) that contains a particular skin or material. Put all those calculations into the sequence section of the expression and it will select the appropriate one and ignore the rest. So for any object (wall) you could calculate the # of bricks, ft of siding , gals of paint, sheathing, nails, etc. Then create a total in the interactive schedule.

I say small number because expressions can not address a database, so you would need an expression value for every condition anticipated (not practical). Also, generally you would use, as a base, the net surface property. However, net surface is not available for walls with multiple skins, as in a pony wail. SO -- a bad limitation.

Archicad has released a video and a help topic on the use of the Sequence tool in expressions. There is also a video on YouTube on simple keynotes that uses this process.

You have a link to this video?;)

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

poco2013 — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 00:26:42 GMT

HELP
https://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/tips/archicad/expression-based-properties-faq/

Calculations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_udM8NeAAUs

Keynotes

https://www.youtube.com/edit?ar=1&o=U&video_id=8C8kMmKKHJY

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Anonymous — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 17:44:53 GMT

Indeed; that worked fine.

Thanks.

Quite a big job setting everything up for a big house, though;)

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Steve Jepson — Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:31:42 GMT

famadorian wrote:
Indeed; that worked fine.

Thanks.

Quite a big job setting everything up for a big house, though;)

...and probably for no good reason since the price for each item is almost never directly related to the coast of construction. All that work to put a price on individual elements is a waste of time when the cost is based on the square foot, if even that. The price of the house is based on what it will appraise and sell for, which is entirely subjective. And the local lumber yard will do the quantity take off with state-of-the-art software for free. And for many things, this is just to establish your price per board foot for the project based on the volume you will buy. They will deliver what seems right, bring out more if you need it, and give you a credit for what you didn't use. It is entirely possible that no one ever did need to know any exact quantities or even the prices.

You need formulas for construction cost estimating. ArchiCAD is not going to be great at that even with Expressions.
However, ArchiCAD can extract the data you need to use in those formulas into schedules you can export to Excel for final tweaking. This is still the optimal way to generate useful schedules I think.
What expressions do is help you get the data you need into schedules you can export. It does not do much to improve what you can do with an Interactive Schedule. ( as far as I know )
I really hope someone can show me that this is not true and that expressions are a huge improvement for Interactive Schedules.

Re: cost or price in quantity bill

Erwin Edel — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 07:18:22 GMT

No hands on experience yet, but in our local layer standard, so to speak, you deal with the same chapters (groundwork, foundations, masonry, etc etc) as in typical cost calculation and contract documentation.

I'm hopeful that I can make schedules per chapter / layer, as these ussually go by the same unit of measurement (m³ for concrete poured for foundations, m² for masonry, etc) and just have a booklet of these in my template to indeed help with inputting the numbers to excel. Now if for some far fetched reason I am able to also calculate the cost of materials and hours of labour (multiplied by wage) AND add the taxes, insurance, profit and risk margins etc: yes I will get it all out of ARCHICAD, but I doubt that!

The way we have it now is we have one MASSIVE schedule that extracts all units of measurement for all layers and elements and we just wade through the collumns to look for the numbers and take them to excel.

We are allways within 5% of the end result after the tender finished, so I am pretty confident in our cost estimating skills as an office . (Allthough the current market in NL is dealing with rediculous increase in costs!)