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how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Anonymous — Sun, 30 May 2010 20:41:03 GMT

this is very frustrating. i cannot find how to get into the component database. can anyone give a brief step by step of how to create a new component and then apply it to a wall? thanks

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 31 May 2010 12:33:42 GMT

This book may help you:

http://www.boutique-fc-cadlink.com/fccllfr001-p-29.html

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

KeesW — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:56:18 GMT

I have that book and it is very complicated. If creating quantities is your life's work it certainly does the job. If you are an architect with limited time for such tasks, I recommend that you check out Cigrapgh's Archiquant.

Archicad 14 is supposed to have direct links to Excel. I wonder if it makes material-takeoffs easier?

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:18:10 GMT

KeesW wrote:
Archicad 14 is supposed to have direct links to Excel. I wonder if it makes material-takeoffs easier?

No changes. AC 14 just has the ability to save in Excel format rather than just in CSV.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Gops — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:56:11 GMT

Try this. If I am not mistaken it was posted on this forum.

Part 1

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Gops — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:04:49 GMT

Part 2.

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 19:46:08 GMT

Those PDF's are a very basic (and dated) intro to interactive schedules. They don't have anything to do with the question of components and material take-offs, all of which are handled by List Schemes and the Calculate database which was the original question here.

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Rick Thompson — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:10:49 GMT

It's basically the way you did it in AC4.5, 6, 7 etc. We're still hoping though, it's bound to be restructured one day.

This manual can help... just know it is tedious and painful. You just have to dive in and once you figure it out it is pretty straight forward and repeatable. The steps are clearly laid out on this little manual, well... somewhat. Don't forget the manual under the help menu.

http://www.thompsonplans.com/files/TappingCalcMenu.pdf

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Rakela Raul — Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:11:31 GMT

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Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Rick Thompson — Sat, 19 Jun 2010 04:01:55 GMT

I had nothing to do with it actually. My understanding is it was done for for dealers to help their clientd, but that could be completely wrong. It was written by Duane Valencia, another forum member. It is way beyond something I could do. I simply received a copy back in the late 90's and posted it to my web site so other struggling souls could access it. Many, many people have downloaded it so I am happy to provide it to the forum… and no one from GS has said I couldn't.. so

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Steve Jepson — Tue, 29 Jun 2010 04:53:25 GMT

lvt91555 wrote:
this is very frustrating. i cannot find how to get into the component database. can anyone give a brief step by step of how to create a new component and then apply it to a wall? thanks

I would like to help you.
What is it that you want to include in your wall schedule ?

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

David Bearss — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 18:51:28 GMT

Rick wrote:
It's basically the way you did it in AC4.5, 6, 7 etc. We're still hoping though, it's bound to be restructured one day.

This manual can help... just know it is tedious and painful. You just have to dive in and once you figure it out it is pretty straight forward and repeatable. The steps are clearly laid out on this little manual, well... somewhat. Don't forget the manual under the help menu.

http://www.thompsonplans.com/files/TappingCalcMenu.pdf

Rick your link above displays a file not found. Is it available at a new location? Am curious to get a better handle on quantity takeoff..
regards,

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Rick Thompson — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:09:45 GMT

Sorry about the... I was server cleaning and thought it was so old no one was interested, but evidently not:) I put it back, so it should work now.

May the Force be with you

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

Steve Jepson — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 19:18:04 GMT

As of today, there are still problems with the quantities the interactive schedules generate. If you model your footings and foundation walls as walls, and schedule the volumes, they will not be the true volume you can verify by hand, and they will not match the volume you will get if you convert them to morphs and schedule those morph volumes.

The morph volumes will be the more accurate quantity. This is not a mistake in the calculations the program makes, it is because of how the program understands the wall intersects/clean up.

Does it consider the total length of the wall measured on the outside or to the reference line? Does is alternate the lap of the walls at corners or does it miter them. Things like that.

Per my tests, if you really want to know the true volume, select the footings and foundation walls and copy them off to the side. Then convert them to morphs and schedule the morphs, not the walls.

This is especially true when the corners are not 90 deg. As in the case of a bump out with 45 deg walls for something. The way the walls clean up can be seen when you select them.

You will also find the there is a discrepancy between what the lable says the length is, the dimension on the plan, and the length showing in the schedule.

It all boils down to the fact that you must be very careful about verifying the quantities in the interactive schedules. Some of this can be controlled by how you model, what you model something as, and the specific perameters of the schedule.

I am not sure it is actually possible to generate an accurate schedule for things that should be very reliable.

I posted some stuff recently about here: http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=51852

Re: how do i create material take-offs in arch v13?

David Bearss — Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:20:41 GMT

Thanks Rick!

Steve I fiddled with this a bit too and will post in your other thread.