topic Re: Opening orientation question in Collaboration with other software

Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:18:08 GMT

Hei,

when I started to write this post I wanted to ask about a different thing in schedules but I managed to come up with the answer myself. So a little change of topic.

I have customised my template for the schedule, translated the term into estonian, but now I'm stuck because I would want to translate the opening orientation values into estonian as well, because left/right is far from the terms in estonian.

So does anybody know if and how I could do that?

TIA

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:34:02 GMT

Nevermind, found the answer on ArchicadWiki:

Window/door opening orientation

Type: string
Possible length: max. 31 characters
Returns in the list a string corresponding to the orientation of the Window/Door (L – left, R – right, or any other custom value). This value can be set in the ‘Orientation Displaying’ portion of the Details Subdialog of the Library Part Editor when a Window/Door is open for editing.

Source: http://www.archicadwiki.com/ListingParameters?highlight=(CategoryCalculation)#Window.2BAC8-dooropeningorientation

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Now another problem: the value show up correctly but the 3D front view of the left-handed and right-handed door are the same i.e. as if they both were left-handed.

Ideas?

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:02:43 GMT

Can you post an image of how the schedule looks at this point, pointing out the problematic area?

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:13:23 GMT

Here you go

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:28:42 GMT

First check that the two Doors actually have different looks in 3D, because the Listing function basically generate a 3D and puts it there.
So my first guess is that their 3D may be the same although this parameter of theirs is different.

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:36:17 GMT

I'm not sure I follow you correctly.

How can the 3D front view be the same if their orientation is different?

Before changing the value the front views worked. The situation in the posted jpg only appeared after changing the values and not only on that particular door but on all the doors with changed values.

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:57:29 GMT

adzik wrote:
I'm not sure I follow you correctly.

How can the 3D front view be the same if their orientation is different?

By a bug. I was asking this to check whether the object is incorrectly programmed.

Before changing the value the front views worked. The situation in the posted jpg only appeared after changing the values and not only on that particular door but on all the doors with changed values.

Changing what value? Did you change a parameter? Or some setting in the listing Dialog?

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:26:41 GMT

Only changed whats in the red area.

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:16:03 GMT

OK, I get it.
Now, what I am asking is this.
Let us say you a a Wall, there are two Doors in it. Place one Door, then copy it, and mirror this second Door created. In 3D this will result in one being right-oriented, the other being left-oriented.
Now, list these two Doors and see if the data displayed matches their orientations in the 3D Window.

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:27:57 GMT

No, it doesn't match.

Check jpg.

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:14:42 GMT

Now that is interesting.
I would suppose they should be displayed differently in the list.

I have one more guess: maybe the two Doors are "too identical" for the program, because all their settings are the same. When this happens ArchiCAD takes one of the instances and generated the 3D view from that for all instances. Maybe this is what is happening.

Try to change the User ID of one of them and see if that helps.

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:49:20 GMT

No it doesn't make a difference and frankly I didn't think it would. They are similar doors yes, but their opening orientation is different so they aren't identical.

I'm more thinking in the direction that when the Orientation value was R or L then AC knew which way to turn the 3D front view, but if you assign custom values instead of R or L then some association inside the code doesn't work properly.

Unfortunately I've got no idea if this really is the case and if one could change the aforementioned association so it would work correctly. I don't really understand why it shouldn't work just the same because the location of the text and the door orientations remain the same only the contents of the text field have changed.

Anyways, the weekend is starting and I've got until thursday to figure this out so hopefully somebody will give a more detailed explanation why it doesn't do what I want it to.

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:52:52 GMT

Sorry, I have no more ideas.
It may be that it is a bug.

Edit: Unfortunately, I do not think GS has touched this area of the program in the last several releases, because there is now Interactive Schedules, so this seems to be slowly drifting into oblivion.

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:15:54 GMT

Anyone else got any ideas?

Re: Opening orientation question

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:34:51 GMT

Could you generate a quick interactive schedule/legend that shows the elevation symbol to see if the same thing happens there? If it does, then it is more likely that it is a bug and that GS might address it sooner than later.

Thanks,
Karl

Re: Opening orientation question

Barry Kelly — Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:24:18 GMT

Karl wrote:
Could you generate a quick interactive schedule/legend that shows the elevation symbol to see if the same thing happens there? If it does, then it is more likely that it is a bug and that GS might address it sooner than later.

Thanks,
Karl

It's been a problem with the list schemes since I tried it first in 8.1
Haven't tried them in later versions since there has been the interactive schedules.
But even the interactive schedule didn't work in version 10.
It was fixed in version 11 & 12 seems to work OK as well.

Barry.

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:00:42 GMT

Karl wrote:
Could you generate a quick interactive schedule/legend that shows the elevation symbol to see if the same thing happens there? If it does, then it is more likely that it is a bug and that GS might address it sooner than later.

Thanks,
Karl

In an interactive schedule everything works fine. Strange.

Re: Opening orientation question

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:48:13 GMT

I think the original Listing functions and the Interactive Schedules are two entire different code segments of ArchiCAD so something might not work in one and work in the other.
I think it is a bug in the old listing functions.

Re: Opening orientation question

adzik — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 07:11:42 GMT

I guess I have to use the Interactive schedules then. I found the lists easier to control (the layout and such).