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Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Dave Jochum — Tue, 09 Jul 2013 22:51:20 GMT

I'm so sick of this problem I could...never mind. I have a PLN that simply will not return all (it does some) zone locations in the door and window schedules. I've tried all the *bleeping* workarounds we've been forced to use for years including enlarging the zone boundaries beyond the enclosing walls, flipping markers, cutting and re-pasting zones, etc. Has anyone found a solution? Is it maybe fixed in 17? I haven't opened this project in 17 because I'm close to finishing CDs.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 00:06:15 GMT

ArchiCad 17 PC

I have just started working with Schedules. Window schedule is not returning some zone data. Changed zone base level (ie -20c) to try and fix. No result.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Richard Morrison — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 02:04:24 GMT

Something to do with renovation filters not being set correctly for the schedule?

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:12:20 GMT

All zones have the same renovation filter setting.
The only windows returning a "zone error" are those where the wall containing the window is -20c below 0c, the set FFL. I have windows at -6c working.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Barry Kelly — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 05:27:41 GMT

schmidi,
You will probably find that the window at -20c is completely below the base level of the zone.
The -6c windows probably extend up so part of the window is above the base of the zone.

So you will either need to add a separate zone for the lower storey or lower the base level for you existing zone.
Also watch the zone height if you lower the base.
The windows need to be within the zone before they can recognise it.

Barry.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 06:17:36 GMT

LOL ... I was going to write "Baz would know" in my previous post.
Thanks matey, Ill try that.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Barry Kelly — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 07:38:52 GMT

I didn't think there could be that many schmidi's in Perth.

Barry.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Nov 2014 09:38:02 GMT

The zone name shows up in the schedule when I lift the wall containing the window to -1680 but not at -1690. Zone Ht is 2743, base at -1714 (-20c). Zone exists on 0.Ground Floor.

test: copy zone to -1.subground - rename 'dining test'
this didn't seem to work until I deleted 2 other undercroft levels - or perhaps it did. I found that the schedule didn't update if I changed a zone name on -1.SG but it would if I changed a zone name on 0.GF Is there a way of updating the schedule after change? I thought a save would invoke this anyway.

Zones don't have a story visibility option as far as I know, so am I stuck with improvising using 2 zones on top of each other? I'm still not sure why the zone name displays at -1680 but not at -1690. Window tested:
Sill to WB 943
Header to WB 2400

tested wall linking - no result.
tested sub levels - yes, must delete.
This remedy does not work for the Window Schedule 4D object.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Barry Kelly — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 02:47:39 GMT

schmidi wrote:
This remedy does not work for the Window Schedule 4D object.

Ben it looks like it might be over to you?

Barry.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Ben Cohen — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:04:41 GMT

Hi schmidi

More than happy to help
Email me a copy of the file and I will take a look

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Eduardo Rolon — Sat, 15 Nov 2014 14:24:37 GMT

Bitten by this bug yesterday. Was able to force some of the windows in the schedule to refresh, there was one that never did.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Anonymous — Sun, 16 Nov 2014 04:41:26 GMT

How is a zone associated to an element?
In the case of a window, is the association with the wall element or the window object?

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Ben Cohen — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 00:11:04 GMT

Hi Schmidi

I have looked at your file

At first I thought it was the way you had used walls to make your model (you have 7 walls in places that could just use one new composite). But this was not the problem
I noticed that the interactive scheduler would pickup the zone, but the window itself would not.
So I scripted an ArchiCAD window (so I knew it was not a 4D Library issue) to show the zone in plan - and it would not show the zone unless the walls and zone were at zero to the project
I then changed the wall projection to 'symbolic' and the zones started to work

The fix is to set all your walls to 'Symbolic' in 'Floor plan and section..' within the window and doors settings.

This is definite bug. I will report it to GS.

Re: Zones and Door/Window Schedules...Again

Anonymous — Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:18:37 GMT

Thanks Ben for looking into this problem and providing a solution. Thanks to everyone else who have put thought to this issue. Yes, the new composite method is one I am very keen on but hard to sway others to adopt.

This works:

Change Wall containing problem window in ' Wall Selection Settings > FLOOR PLAN DISPLAY ' from std (mine is ' Projected with Overhead ' to ' SYMBOLIC CUT '.

The Zone element now provides correct data to schedules, inbuilt and 4D.

Thanks again.