topic Re: AC14 volumn Calc. in Collaboration with other software

AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:52:45 GMT

Can someone please verify for me that the volume calculation for slabs roofs or columns works?
I can't get the schedule to cough up a volume.

Looks like a bug.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Erika Epstein — Mon, 19 Jul 2010 23:45:57 GMT

Why don't you post some screen shots of your schedule and its settings so we can see what you did?

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:05:24 GMT

No fancy settings.
Just like I used to do in 13.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:06:29 GMT

Here are the settings

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Steve Jepson — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:07:54 GMT

It works. Probably Project Preferences. Fix units and update.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:09:11 GMT

You were right. I checked the preferences and my slabs were too small for the accuracy setting. So I bumped up the accruacy and added some more slabs but now I cant get a proper total.

this file was an existing 13 import so I tried a new file with the standard AC14 template.

Same thing, incorrect total Cubic feet total.

The schedule is really buggy too. I can't change the font size.

Help!

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:12:24 GMT

Here is the shedule from the new 14 test file.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Steve Jepson — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:20:12 GMT

You may need to drag the schedule onto the Layout sheet.
From Layout, select the schedule, left click, and select update.
If that does nothing, change units and try again. Then switch back to the units you want. Schedules can be fussy.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:05:28 GMT

Thanks for responding Steven.

I tried lots of futzing around like you suggested. But no total for the Cubic arena.

Got to be a bug.

Can you get a total?

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:08:37 GMT

Here I switched to cubic inches.

Weird stuff.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Steve Jepson — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:08:58 GMT

Yes. It works for me. But not with out fooling with it.
I had the same problem as you are showing. The fix is in display settings, view settings, etc..

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:58:35 GMT

Thanks Steve,
that picture helped.
I unchecked all the settings under calculation rules and then I switched the preferences to cubic yards.

then it displayed properly after refreshing.

Going back, I still couldn't get the thing to read and calculate cubic feet or inches.

Can you get cubic feet?

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Steve Jepson — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:03:15 GMT

No. I can't make it work.
Makes me mad too.

The problem is because you can drag the schedule directly into the Layout or you can choose to save it as a view and place in Layout in one step.

The schedules placed without being a view are where the problem is.

Alt-F7

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the up side is that you can display the same schedule with different units as seen here. cu.ft. and cu.yds.

The results you can get are wild.

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Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Erika Epstein — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:25:52 GMT

Check your settings for Options>Project Preferences>Calculation Unites and Rules.

The default setting here is inches for linear dimensions and feet for area and volume calculations.

Note the Extra Accuracy setting along with how many decimals are set.

These tolerance settings are saved with views.

HTH

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Rick Taron — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:50:32 GMT

Erika,

Can you get Cubic feet in a schedule?

I fussed with all that stuff to no avail.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Erika Epstein — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:34:42 GMT

Yes,
See screen shot
Or is it something else you are after?
Click on the down arrow at the right of each unit type for options

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Steve Jepson — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:37:46 GMT

Erika wrote:
Yes,
See screen shot
Or is it something else you are after?
Click on the down arrow at the right of each unit type for options

look at your results Erika. total cuft =0.00 ???

It's not working.

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Steve Jepson — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:55:32 GMT

Test with several slabs of a volume you know.
3'x3'x3' 27 cuft. 1 cuyd.

Try chaning uints while in the schedule and then while in the Layout, and then while in the View.

It is all a mess for several reasons. 1 being that to change units is done by use of a tab that called Project Preferences as opposed to Scheduel Preferences or View Unit Preferences, etc...There needs to be a way to change units per individual schedule only, and it needs to be clear when that is what your doing.

Units is a problem for schedules. There needs to be many more units, the ability to define our own units, and control how and what units are displayed in each schedule. Units that are industry specific like board feet, chains, sections, acres, etc...

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Erika Epstein — Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:01:11 GMT

I increased the precision, but the numbers are wrong.
The slabs are as noted.
When I checked to see if the volumes were metric, they were closer, but off for example 1 cu ft. should = .028316 cu meters not .0026.

It is that this long outstanding bug is still here in 14.
How can we possibly provide correct data when unit types are wrong and and errors produce imprecise data???

Re: AC14 volumn Calc.

Greg Kmethy — Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:04:43 GMT

I can confirm that the cubic feet and cubic inches calculation units give bad results in volume calculations in ArchiCAD 14. (ArchiCAD 13 gets it right). Cubic yards and gallons are OK. The element information palette is also reliable to read volumes in cubic feet/inches. I have forwarded this bug to the development.

Greg