topic Artlantis for Revit in Collaboration with other software

Artlantis for Revit

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 15:35:52 GMT

Received this advertisement from Graphisoft West today -- I found the headline a bit odd...

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Erika Epstein — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:39:47 GMT

They must have caught their error, I didn't get anything from them about artlantis for Revit or Archicad

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Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:26:42 GMT

Headline seems great to me! 🙂

Graphisoft West (western US reseller for those reading from other countries) sells Artlantis, Piranesi and other products that work as part of our ArchiCAD workflow.

Recently Abvent introduced a plug-in so that Revit users can take advantage of the super-easy, super-fast Artlantis. Hopefully, increases users (sales) of Artlantis will lead to further development of the product, so I'm glad to see them pushing it. Interesting that I didn't get the same email, so your firm, Laura, must be flagged in their database as having some Revit licenses I would guess. But, selling Artlantis for Revit seems like a clever way for them to make contacts in Revit firms that they want to get ArchiCAD into?

(Of course, the cynic could read this as - hey, you can switch to Revit now because Artlantis and Piranesi work there, too! )

Cheers!
Karl

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:22:53 GMT

The question is why would a Revit user want to use Artlantis, when they already have a really good renderer built-in, for free?

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:26:23 GMT

Peter wrote:
The question is why would a Revit user want to use Artlantis, when they already have a really good renderer built-in, for free?

Does their built-in rendering engine (Mental Ray now) have a live preview where adjusting light positions and intensities is immediately reflected, dragging and dropping textures is quick and visual, sliding a bump or reflectivity slider shows immediate results, final rendering is fast - utilizing all available cores, and batch rendering permits images, animations, VR's etc to all be generated in the background overnight? 😉

Karl

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:34:27 GMT

But does Artlantis have what looks like such simple and intuitive material setup? It would be great if lightworks had something similar where you literally choose a 'finish' to a material, rather than faffing about with diffuse and ambient reflectivity levels etc.

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Dwight — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:00:15 GMT

My discussion with Reviteers indicates that for them, Artlantis is marginal.

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Anonymous — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:12:11 GMT

The Mental Ray renderer in Revit:

1 Is 1/12th (!!) as fast as the one in Max, though the images it makes are very good
2 Is limited to four cores
3 Has no hope in hell of making a movie because the render process would take a decade
4 Has no live preview of effects as Karl noted above

So there is a case for Artlantis, were it better known among Revit users. And most of them will never have heard of it...

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Laura Yanoviak — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:05:44 GMT

Karl wrote:
Interesting that I didn't get the same email, so your firm, Laura, must be flagged in their database as having some Revit licenses I would guess.

No Revit licenses, and we've allowed all but 2 of our Autocad licenses to expire.

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:34:34 GMT

Laura wrote:
Karl wrote:
Interesting that I didn't get the same email, so your firm, Laura, must be flagged in their database as having some Revit licenses I would guess.
No Revit licenses, and we've allowed all but 2 of our Autocad licenses to expire.

Maybe they've been talking to your PA's and partners (that OTHER thread of yours)...look forward to reading in that thread what happens after their 'retreat'.

Wes - thanks for the insight into the state of Mental Ray in Revit! Shame about the speed thing. The images I saw browsing around did look far superior to the previous Accurender ones.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Anonymous — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:17:34 GMT

Well, MR in Revit is not at all bad; it's just that Max is smokin' fast. I've asked a buddy of mine at Autodesk to confirm if the MR engines in Revit and Max are different -- I think they are, but I'm not 100% on that. We tested Revit vs Max and Max' speed is amazing.

Rendering has so many variables... sometimes the same resolution shot in MR takes less time than Accurender, sometime's it's more. The only thing I miss from AR are the procedural trees. RPC growies just aren't the same...

Some Reviteers actually prefer AR to MR -- which I really don't get -- the lighting in AR was just awful in comparison.

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Anonymous — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:09:11 GMT

Just completed my first render in Revit using Mental Ray. Image quality fine but soooo slooooww and no pre-view, changing materials on the fly, live placing of bill boards etc. If Artlantis were available I would use it

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Erika Epstein — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 00:36:38 GMT

Karl wrote:
Maybe they've been talking to your PA's and partners (that OTHER thread of yours)...look forward to reading in that thread what happens after their 'retreat'.
Cheers,
Karl

Yes Laura, I too am waiting to hear.

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:24:53 GMT

Erika wrote:
Yes Laura, I too am waiting to hear.

The 'retreat' has been postponed twice -- I don't know if it's been rescheduled. I promise to keep everyone informed of new developments.

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Aaron Bourgoin — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:14:39 GMT

If there's going to be live entertainment at this retreat (and even if there isn't) you might consider making a poster announcing a live set by those famous vb divas - The Righteous BIM Babes.

That'll get bums in seats!

[i actually did this at a company ski trip to Jasper. I made a professional looking poster [c/w glittering stars, etc.] advertising a limited performing engagement by one our own down in the pub at teh Jasper Park Lodge. i put the poster up in the lobby and had to take it down when the concierge told me he was taking too many requests for reservations.]

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:27:20 GMT

Aaron wrote:
If there's going to be live entertainment at this retreat (and even if there isn't) you might consider making a poster announcing a live set by those famous vb divas - The Righteous BIM Babes.

I thought you had said in some other post that you had cut back on drinking.

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Aaron Bourgoin — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:39:18 GMT

Laura,

I have cut way back. But who needs to drink to have a good time. Everything in moderation.

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Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:47:30 GMT

Aaron wrote:
But who needs to drink to have a good time. Everything in moderation.

It just seems as if you're having a particularly good time today.

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Erika Epstein — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:23:38 GMT

Aaron wrote:
If there's going to be live entertainment at this retreat (and even if there isn't) you might consider making a poster announcing a live set by those famous vb divas - The Righteous BIM Babes.

That'll get bums in seats!

[i actually did this at a company ski trip to Jasper. I made a professional looking poster [c/w glittering stars, etc.] advertising a limited performing engagement by one our own down in the pub at teh Jasper Park Lodge. i put the poster up in the lobby and had to take it down when the concierge told me he was taking too many requests for reservations.]

Laura, Can't you just see Aaron dressed as one of the 'Righteous BIM Babes'?

Re: Artlantis for Revit

Aaron Bourgoin — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:40:37 GMT

I'll do it Erika, but only if you and Laura are the rest of the trio.