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Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

rm — Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:57:24 GMT

For those of you that have used Archiforma 2, waiting for Archiforma 3, have you heard what the delay is on the update of that tool from Cigraph?

Have they given up?

While Archiforma 2 does not solve all needs, it works pretty well. But it is in long need of updating.

Thanks in advance!

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Marky — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:13:14 GMT

rm wrote:
For those of you that have used Archiforma 2, waiting for Archiforma 3, have you heard what the delay is on the update of that tool from Cigraph?

Have they given up?

While Archiforma 2 does not solve all needs, it works pretty well. But it is in long need of updating.

Thanks in advance!

They don't respond to anything at all. Fabrizio hasn't been around long time already.
Look like out of business.

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

rm — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:16:48 GMT

WHAT!!!! Really?

Can any reseller confirm this ?

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:21:15 GMT

Marky wrote:
They don't respond to anything at all. Fabrizio hasn't been around long time already.
Look like out of business.

Huh? Fabrizio is still around and I've been in touch recently...

Have you contacted Cigraph via all of their official addresses??

Karl

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Marky — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:30:56 GMT

Karl wrote:
Marky wrote:
They don't respond to anything at all. Fabrizio hasn't been around long time already.
Look like out of business.
Huh? Fabrizio is still around and I've been in touch recently...

Have you contacted Cigraph via all of their official addresses??

Karl

Several times trying this forum and their address as well.
Zero, nada, null responses.
Gave up since they acted like not giving a rip.

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Karl Ottenstein — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 20:48:46 GMT

Marky wrote:
Several times trying this forum and their address as well.
Zero, nada, null responses.
Gave up since they acted like not giving a rip.

This is not the place to contact ANY manufacturer, even Graphisoft. This is a user forum; GS may jump in from time to time at their choosing.

If anyone wants Cigraph, Abvent, Maxon, etc ... they should be contacting them directly or on their own forums.

That said, it is more than discouraging to look at the Cigraph forums:
http://www.cigraph.it/forums/cigraph_forum_en/viewforum.php?f=3

and see that nobody is getting responses.

...that the last "Support News" is more than 2 years old:
http://www.cigraph.it/cigraph/pagetrans.do?action=notizie&view=NEWS_SUP_ONLY

Sloppy, their web site is copyright '2006', but the downloads include the AC 15 version of ArchiSuite.

Yes, the company's web presence is a mess, but AFAIK they are still there... will see what I can find out... very unprofessional for nobody at the company to respond to people, even on their own support forums...

Karl

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

rm — Thu, 13 Oct 2011 21:11:11 GMT

Hey Karl!

Yeah, I emailed them directly a few days ago. No response. That is why I posted here to see if anyone had heard what is going on.

Back in they day, they were very quick to reply to direct correspondence. Now....not so much.

My question still stands as to anyone having any knowledge of ArchiForma 3 being developed/released.

TIA

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Gorazd — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:34:24 GMT

I have seen a demo of Archiforma 3 at ArchiCAd spring academy in Croatia in May. It looked very promising and Fabrizzio said something about "after summer" availability. So I suppose they are busy right now.

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Fabrizio Diodati — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:04:04 GMT

Hi Robert,

yes… we are still alive!

I’m really sorry that it seems it’s so difficult reaching us…
My suggestion it’s always the same: if you need something just drop me an e-mail but, when I say “drop me” I mean just use my e-mail address (it’s in my signature below), in fact, Karl has been so kind to directly write me about this post today and here I am.
Anyway I’m not here to justify ourselves, if the users have the feeling we disappeared probably there is something of wrong on our side so I will try to improve our “presence”.
OK, let’s me address you main question: ArchiForma 3.0.
We are going to start the beta test period probably the next month.
We had to delay it just because ArchiCAD 15 (!): GS introduced some very good modeling features(overall the Shell tool) which, in some way, killed some ArchiForma 3 functions we were ready to release.
So we had to “remodeling” the software: removing the double commands (I mean some issues you got by AC 15), changing some features, improving the remaining ones and adding some others.
Just some info about ArchiForma 3.0:
1. All the tools has been redesigned
2. Full control of any graphical issues (fills, pens, etc.)
3. Possibility to create, use and store custom profiles to use them with any tool (it includes a library containing all the ArchiCAD steel profiles)
4. Correct 2D display of the elements based on the AC Floor Plan Cut Plane (similar to the ArchiCAD construction elements)
5. Many new editing features in a dedicated editing mode (in any ArchiCAD window)
6. No more limitation for any tool (infinite number of nodes, infinite holes, infinite cuts)
7. Enhanced surface material handlings (you can have a different material for any face of the body)
8. You can curve, twist, scale the ArchiForma elements
9. Enhanced Ruled, Revolve and Tube functions (new editing features, use if the stored profiles, enhanced material handling, etc.)
10. New Loft tool (create complex shapes joining several profiles in the 3D space)
11. New Elastic Net tool (to create tents, tensioned structure, gazebos but also curtains and tablecloths see the attached image)
12. You can create & multiply new elements in any ArchiCAD windows, including Section and Elevations
13. New, easier, enhanced procedure to cut & drill the elements (also this one works on any AC window), cuts and holes can also be modify later (parametric definition of them)
14. New “Save as object” procedure (less heavy objects, faster to elaborate)
15. And many other features…

Let me beg you pardon once again for the bad feeling.
Hoping this short description will let you trust on us again,

Friendly,
Fabrizio

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Fabrizio Diodati — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 08:09:10 GMT

Another example from ArchiForma 3.0

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

rm — Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:17:13 GMT

Fabrizio,

Thanks for the update. I will contact you at your email address in the future. To be clear, I used the "Contact Us" form at Cigraph and received no response from that submission. Perhaps no one is checking that.

Karl ~
As usual, you have been helpful here. Thanks for putting the call out to Fabrizio.

Looking forward to getting my hands on ArchiForma 3!

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Anonymous — Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:58:34 GMT

@Fabrizio Is there any chance to be "betatester"? The loft tool is very impresive. I have some ideas for archiforma.
(I have license of archisuite)

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Fabrizio Diodati — Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:26:55 GMT

ASA the Beta Test phase will start I will post here a new.
Please directly contact me after that post.

Friendly
Fabrizio

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

TMA_80 — Tue, 22 May 2012 10:35:00 GMT

Hi Fabrizio, any news on the archiforma3 development ?

Will it be ready with AC16 ?

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Fabrizio Diodati — Tue, 22 May 2012 11:09:33 GMT

As is obvious the new amazing Morph tool included in ArchiCAD 16 caused a further delay... I'm not complaining for this because we will never complain for ArchiCAD development also if they can be "add-on killer".

As I promised, ArchiForma 3.0 will be part of ArchiSuite 16.
But, just to avoid any possible misunderstanding, I want to describe, once more, how our ArchiSuite concept works.
Once you buy the new ArchiSuite version you will get any future add-on (released during the version life) free of charge.

So, when I say AF 3 will be part of ArchiSuite 16 I don't mean you will get it as soon as AC 16 will be out (ArchiSuite 16 will be released in the same days) but for sure during the year and, of course, it will be free of charge.

Friendly
Fabrizio

P.S. funny: now that GS is going to release the new Morph tool, a lot fo people, in Cigraph, were thinking there were no more reason in continuing to develop ArchiForma... but I never received so many request for it!

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

TMA_80 — Tue, 22 May 2012 11:25:23 GMT

Thanks Fabrizio.

Great to know that it is still in development ( I was indeed wondering if the tool is still ongoing with the morph tool release ) .

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

Anonymous — Tue, 22 May 2012 11:32:12 GMT

As a user of Archisuite I think that ASuite worth every euro that i pay for it. Archistair, Architerra... uff all this tools are very, very usefull. I have made some forms with archiforma, other with objective, other with cinema4d... and every tools has its pro and cons. With morph who know, maybe i never use cinema4d, archiforma... or not...

PS:Now i'm teaching a course of Archicad and in the class of this evening i will explain about Archisuite and Cadimage tools as i do in every course....

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

TMA_80 — Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:23:38 GMT

Should we expect this new version with the upcoming archisuite '17?

Re: Anyone know what is going on at Cigraph /ArchiForma 3?

TMA_80 — Fri, 05 Jul 2013 11:30:26 GMT

I've got my answer here:

http://www.cigraph.it/en/node/369

I'm still eager to see some of the Archiforma features implented , at least, in the architools add-on, ( loft, drap tool for instance.)