topic Re: Wind bracing PLans in Collaboration with other software

Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:08:33 GMT

Iv been racking my brain for a couple of days on how I might be able to do this.. iv read a heap on schedules to try work out a way. But need to ask the question.

What im trying to do is insert wind bracing items into my model.. (this is the easy part.. library item… done)
But from these items I want to be able to run a schedule that looks something along lines of listing the item name, ID, then also a preset value… so in the schedule it can add list the items name, its ID (easy parts) but then also add its value to the schedule and then give a total at the bottom

Basically want to use a schedule for these so that if they get modified the table will always be current.. most people have just told me to manually draw a table and add the values.. but leave room for error with plan revisions (if any)

OR, if anyone has a better way of doing a bracing plan and tables, do tell 

Cheers
Gene

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:10:00 GMT

my tables a little wrong... it should read
X1
X2
X3
X4

not
X1
X1
x1
X1

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:55:59 GMT

posibly even a wall that could be used and haev a value per linial meter thats inserted?

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 02:49:25 GMT

When you make your library part add the parameters: X1, X2, etc... They will show up in the parameters of the library part when you place them so that you can input the values.

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:36:45 GMT

not sure what u mean??

the X1, X2 etc.. will just be the object ID and lable.
the name will be the library item name.

the values i want associated with them and to give a total is the part im not sure about?

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:00:32 GMT

GeNOS wrote:
the values i want associated with them and to give a total is the part im not sure about?

Your library part simply needs a parameter to store that data in. Then, simply add that parameter to your schedule and have it generate a total.

If you are creating your library part by simply saving elements as a GDL library part - rather than scripting, then here is what you want to do. (If you were scripting, then you would already know various ways to do all of this, I think.)

Open the created library part.

Click the Select Subtype button

Expand Model Element and select Building Element. Click the Select button. (screenshot)

Your object now has all of the standard parameters for a building element - including a bunch of User Defined fields (screenshot) - which I would assume you would want for other scheduling purposes.

Click the New button as seen in the screenshot to add a new parameter.

Depress the Type button and you'll see the popup palette in the screenshot. Choose Real Number so that the new parameter can hold a decimal number as shown in your example.

Then type a user prompt in the Name field (screenshot). Finally, enter a default value if desired (0.0 shown).

The last screenshot shows what you will now see for the Object Settings dialog for your object - where you can enter the value for the brace.

Finally, just create your schedule and add this parameter to the schedule and set it to create a total.

Karl

Save/close the object.

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:04:19 GMT

screenshot

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:04:48 GMT

screenshot

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Karl Ottenstein — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:05:17 GMT

screenshot

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:32:28 GMT

thanks Karl.

yeah im new to archicad, and am yet to dabble in to scripting.. to be honest the look of it scared me in to “leaving it till I really need to use it” lol.
I appreciate that write up you have done and I will work through it later this arvo. Hopefully I can get my head around it. Will let you know how I got

Gene

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:38:53 GMT

There's really no scripting to it. It might look daunting but it's quite simple. Just follow Karl's instructions and give it a try.

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:49:43 GMT

will be very soon. just gotta finish something else off before i do it

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:45:46 GMT

ok i think im lost again.
i followed all them steps.. was easy enough.

but now how do i get teh schedual to show my bracing objects??
currently thres 3 of them in my modle (2 of the 1800 and 1 of the 900)
these are the setings for my schedule. but the objects arnt showing up in the schedule?

am i doing the criteria section right??? by adding each of them in.. eventually once i work it out there will be a ply for every 100mm increment up to 3000? or am i meant to be doing it differntly?

i can get it to work if i have only one item under the "library part name starts with" section.. but that only allows me to have one of them in the schedule.. as above im going to want to have about 30 of them saved and able to be listed

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 05:58:13 GMT

closer.. but not quite.. need them in the same column.. to produce the total of them all

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:10:32 GMT

im guessing i have to have one library item and adjust its length and bracing value manually for each one i insert to get them in the same column in the schedule??

id preffer to have 30 odd objects all differnt legths and values all ready set so i can just plonk them in with out messing with its values manual?? can i do that and have them in the same column on the schedule?

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 06:20:49 GMT

if i do have to go with 1 item and adjsut each one manually.. is there somethign i can type or add here ( http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com//files/picture_4_178.png ) that will work on an X amount per meter that i stretch the object out to

say the ply is worth 6 per meter.. if i stretch it to 500mm it will auto adjust the brace value to 3... etc..?

EDIT: actually now that i think about i realy need the items seperate and in the same column.. as they wont all be ply.. some will be masonary, straps etc... so i need to get the "brace value" of multipul library items in the same column.. if its doable?

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:58:11 GMT

bump

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Karl Ottenstein — Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:43:58 GMT

Yes, you can have all the values in one column, and yes you can create as many objects as you need with the values pre-defined.

The problem seems to be the internal name for your value field. You should only need to add the value field from one object in order to get it from all objects, BUT the internal name MUST be exactly the same for all objects. (This is one of the reasons when this is done for 'real' objects, that one uses 'subtypes' - which force all objects to have like-names parameters. But don't worry about that here, since you're a newbie and don't want to deal with the details.)

If you look at my screenshot earlier called Picture 4, you'll notice that the internal variable for the value is called Brace_A. The default name picks up the name of the library part.

You need to make sure that the same internal name appears in EACH of your objects. Perhaps instead of using the default (Brace_A here), just enter "braceval" or something meaningful to you in all lib parts that you have created. The deal is that the scheduler does NOT pay attention to the English (or whatever language) user prompt seen in the dialog - it schedules based on the internal name.

Cheers,
Karl

Re: Wind bracing PLans

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:07:17 GMT

thanks Karl. having that working will save me a hour or so on each job.