topic Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts in Collaboration with other software

Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 01:29:43 GMT

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to use the schedule potential to make up a drawing list. Very basic task.
Not sure why is listing the same layout once per every drawing is actually inserted in it. (3 drawings in one layout=layouts listed 3 times in the schedule). (see attachment)

How to avoid this from happening?

Cheers

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 12:19:19 GMT

Hy Deviz
you have to tweak with schedule fileds option, they are three buttons on the right of each field. The arrow to order, the sum and the flag.

Bye

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:35:29 GMT

I think Claudio is asking about something else.

Claudio, since this is a Drawing list, it lists every Drawing instance placed, and every field for those instances, no matter how many times it is placed.
What happens when you check the Merge Uniform Items checkbox in the Schedule Options panel to the left of the generated Schedule?

Also, why don't you list the name of the Drawing itself, only the Layout ID & Name? I mean, it is a Drawing List.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Erika Epstein — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:07:58 GMT

I was wondering if you have more than one set of drawings in your layout book. For example a set of drawings for 1/4" scale and another at 1/8" with identical layout names. If this is the case, on the second tab, identify which set of drawings you want to have in your schedule.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:19:36 GMT

Hi Ilder, Laszlo, Erika

Firstly apologies for confusing Schedules and Indexes. It was and index the one I was working on. I was going to post it yesterday already but we had an iNet disruption.

Secondly thank you for getting back to me.

Ilder: Not sure why, but I can only see the arrow, no sum or flag icon?!
Laszlo: The Merge Uniform Items option is only for schedules, not indexes. I don't have any problem with listing all the drawings (if I can fit them all in one A1 sheet), but don't want to have the layout repeated in the list next to every drawing, that's messy.
Erika: what do you mean with 'set of drawings'? Beside floor plans, every layout contains multiple drawings, sometimes at the same scale, sometimes at different scale.

By looking at it with fresh eyes, I think that what I was trying to have was a sheet index as opposed to a drawing list. Having said that and having discovered the drawing list option, I wouldn't mind to have even both for client's and our convenience. Still I wouldn't want to have the layout number repeated for each drawing. Possible? I'll play a bit with that now and see how I go. Appreciate any hint

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Barry Kelly — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:50:58 GMT

Deviz wrote:
Ilder: Not sure why, but I can only see the arrow, no sum or flag icon?!

Sum and flag options are only available in schedules.

Barry.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:53:09 GMT

Ok everyone. I've played with these schedules and got to a better point, still not as I hoped.

Following are some points I'd like to solve if possible.
Please look at the attached pdf.

Point 1:
On page 1 you can see the default screenshot of the drawing list index. After playing with the settings, I cannot go back to having the Headline split in two, with drawing over the top and ID, Name, scale, etc. under, instead I have to repeat 'drawing ID', 'Drawing Name', etc. (page 2)

Point 2:
Is it possible to override the scale somewhere. That to avoid scale 1:1 for tables or 1:174.5348 for 3D views. In these cases a simple N/A would be more correct.

Point 3:
Not sure why I can't remove the lines for the headline separator (Page 3 shows the border with no lines ticked, but you can still see the lines in the table)

Finally, Ideally I'd like to have one list only with:

Subset ID+Name
Layout ID+Name
Drawing ID
Drawing Name
Drawing Scale
Revision ID

I'd like both, Subset and Layouts to show the headline (meaning they would need to be shown only ones), but it seems as if only one (the first value of the list) can be grouped.

Am I too demanding?

Thank you for reading.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:40:57 GMT

Thank you Barry.

I've never used those tools. Do you have a link handy where I can read how to exploit them?

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Barry Kelly — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 03:55:12 GMT

Deviz wrote:
Thank you Barry.

I've never used those tools. Do you have a link handy where I can read how to exploit them?

Only the on-line help files.

http://helpcenter.graphisoft.com/guides/archicad-17-int-reference-guide/user-interface-reference/dialog-boxes/scheme-settings-dialog-box-interactive-schedule/#1005611

Also in the reference guide in the Help menu.

Barry.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 04:14:37 GMT

Good stuff Barry Cheers.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Laszlo Nagy — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:04:48 GMT

Claudio,

This can be achieved, but you need to think outside the box a bit.
Here is how I am thinking in trying to solve a situation like this:

So the situation is that all Drawings that meet a given criteria are listed in the Drawing List one by one, and there is no checkbox to Merge Uniform items in the list. So how can we achieve a situation where when a Drawing is placed multiple times on a Layout it is listed only once?
Since only Drawings meeting specified criteria are listed, the next question is: can we specify a criteria which would only list one instance of each Drawing. This would require a field of the Drawing we use as criteria to be different for different instances of the same Drawing.

For this we have to look at the criteria we have available.
When creating a Drawing List, only 4 criteria are available. Let us take each and see if we can do something about them:

* Layout Subset and Layout - each Drawing placed on the same Layout will have the same values for these fields for each instance of the Drawing. We cannot do anything with these.
* Resize - if we change this even slightly for any of the placed Drawing instances, the Scale displayed in your Drawing List will change so we can't use this either.
* Last Update - this is the last one we have. The Last Update criteria lists only Drawings that were last updated before/at/after etc. a specified date/time. So if we can achieve a state where out of 3 instances of a Drawing 2 instances have an earlier Update time than the 3rd instance, and we set to list only those Drawings that were updated AFTER a specified time, only one will be listed.
So here is how to achieve this:

Lets say you have 3 instances of a Drawing. Select 2 of them and in the Drawing Settings Dialog change their Update type to Manual from Automatic. This will prevent them from updating automatically which would update their Last Updated value as well. The 3rd instances should stay on the Auto Update type. This may be easiest to do from the Drawing Manager Palette. (You might want to add the Last Updated and Update Type fields to the listed Columns of the Drawing Manager by clicking the right pointing arrow button at the right end of the column titles and selecting them from the list.)
Now, in the Scheme Settings Dialog, Add the following Criteria: Last Update.
The value filled will be the current date and time. Use the > (larger than) operator.
So you specify to list only those Drawings that were last updated after the specified date and time. Click OK to accept this change.
Now, select the 3rd instance with the Auto Update type, and update it. Its update time will now be later than the time you specified.
The other 2 instances' Update time will not change because they were not updated and will not update automatically either.

If you now generate the Drawing List, those 2 instances will not be listed.

Obviously you will have to do the same for all instances of all others Drawings.

I hope this helps.

PS. In this instance you have to watch to update all Drawings after changes are made. Just make sure to first update the Manual update Drawings first. Then update the Automatic Update ones (their update time will now be later than that of the Manual update ones). Then modify the date/time value in the criteria to list only the automatic updated ones.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 23:18:56 GMT

Hello Laszlo and thank you for the effort you've put into this. By the looks, you've wiped out all the others in the topic.

That system is quite laborious, particularly to maintain with over 100 drawings to manage, however not sure that would solve the issue I was reporting.
in the attachment you can see how I've solved the matter at this point in time.

Solution: I have two lists: a layout list and a drawings list.
The aim I had was to combine the two, therefore, preferably I didn't want the layout name and ID to repeat itself for every drawing that was in it.

The othe little issue (apparently being reported to you guys in Hungary by a consultant from Graphisoft Australia) is how to have the headline with two rows in it.
In other words: see how the drawing list has ID and NAME in a row and DRAWING is above the both of them in its own cell? That's what the default ArchiCAD shows, however if you make changes and loose that setting, I'm not sure how to get it back.
In the layout list you can see how LAYOUT ID and LAYOUT NAME are in two separate cells next to each other. I can't group them and neither the Graphisoft consultant could.

Reason for wanting them grouped is obviously tidiness and saving of space in the table.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Barry Kelly — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 01:36:42 GMT

Deviz wrote:
The othe little issue (apparently being reported to you guys in Hungary by a consultant from Graphisoft Australia) is how to have the headline with two rows in it.
In other words: see how the drawing list has ID and NAME in a row and DRAWING is above the both of them in its own cell? That's what the default ArchiCAD shows, however if you make changes and loose that setting, I'm not sure how to get it back.
In the layout list you can see how LAYOUT ID and LAYOUT NAME are in two separate cells next to each other. I can't group them and neither the Graphisoft consultant could.

See attached image - that should explain it.

Barry.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Barry Kelly — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 01:41:20 GMT

No it is there but I was editing a spelling mistake probably while you were looking at it.

Barry.

Re: Drawing list repeats same layouts

Anonymous — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 01:42:13 GMT

Aren't you a smart one Barry!
Thank you