topic Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity in Collaboration with other software

isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:15:54 GMT

Hello guys,

I'm making a schedule of skin walls, same as the image below.

so... for example... I need to show just the "Plaster Gypsum External" quantity in 3D, so I click on element line and then "Select in 3D" option right?

and appears this:

my doubt is...
Is there a way to isolate only "Plaster Gypsum External" like the image below that shows the exact 4,18 Area?

I tryed Entire Model Option but I don't know how to isolate skin by skin... it worked for "Core Only" but not for skin by skin

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

felcunha — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:23:15 GMT

Apart from copying the wall as morph and deleting the parts you don't want, I don't see how.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:27:05 GMT

Well, I don't want "delete" skins...

Just a way to show skin by skin in the 3D for a better understanding of where the quantities come from.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

felcunha — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:35:42 GMT

Maybe you could transform them into morphs and change their layer, so you can hide the skins

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:46:36 GMT

I'm currently modeling skin by skin (creating a wall of brick, a wall of plaster external and another of plaster internal), but this takes a lot of time because in this simple (2 walls) I need to create 6 walls skin by skin (3 for each wall), so I'd like to use the composites (that is more simple and faster) and just isolate the skins.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

felcunha — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:47:45 GMT

junim2307 wrote:
I'm currently modeling skin by skin (creating a wall of brick, a wall of plaster external and another of plaster internal), but this takes a lot of time because in this simple (2 walls) I need to create 6 walls skin by skin (3 for each wall), so I'd like to use the composites (that is more simple and faster) and just isolate the skins.

Why don't you transform your composite wall into a morph ? It'll be faster

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:54:54 GMT

felcunha wrote:

junim2307 wrote:
I'm currently modeling skin by skin (creating a wall of brick, a wall of plaster external and another of plaster internal), but this takes a lot of time because in this simple (2 walls) I need to create 6 walls skin by skin (3 for each wall), so I'd like to use the composites (that is more simple and faster) and just isolate the skins.
Why don't you transform your composite wall into a morph ? It'll be faster

I transformed into a morph, but now my 3 skins = 1 element...
how to "explode" in 3 skins? to change layers and etc.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

felcunha — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:57:03 GMT

Suspend Groups (Alt-G)

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:09:11 GMT

felcunha wrote:
Suspend Groups (Alt-G)

Suspend Groups, separates two or more walls with Geometry Method "Chained"

I need to separate the skins from the composite wall after convert in morph like u said.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

felcunha — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:32:28 GMT

You're right... one solution can be to export your wall as IFC. Choose Exact Geometry Export (Precise BREP) as translator, then reimport it to your file and (if necessary) convert the object imported to morph. You'll be able to select its individual parts.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:16:23 GMT

felcunha wrote:
You're right... one solution can be to export your wall as IFC. Choose Exact Geometry Export (Precise BREP) as translator, then reimport it to your file and (if necessary) convert the object imported to morph. You'll be able to select its individual parts.

I have saved like u said and imported (External Content/ Place Hotlink)...
In this time, the schedule messed up...

I tryed to break hotlink (Embend Elements) to convert to morph (worked to separate skins) and still didn't work for quantity... all the 3 skins changed to "Water" and still don't appear area values, lol...

any idea?

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

felcunha — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:52:22 GMT

1 - Uncheck the "Merge Uniform Items" box in your schedule
2 - Open the Selection Settings for each morph, uncheck "Override surface" and change the material from water to the one you want.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:24:02 GMT

felcunha wrote:
1 - Uncheck the "Merge Uniform Items" box in your schedule
2 - Open the Selection Settings for each morph, uncheck "Override surface" and change the material from water to the one you want.

Ok, but why archicad changed the main material to water... lol
To change this manually will be almost the same that create wall by wall to each skin like I'm doing currently

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Barry Kelly — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:45:07 GMT

It is not possible to show the individual skins of a composite wall.
With 'Partial Structure Display' you can show 'Entire Model' (Core, Other and Finish skins), 'Without Finishes' (Core and Other skins) or 'Core Only' (Core skins).

It is not possible to show just the finishes or other skins on their own.

Converting the walls to a morph defeats the purpose because they will no longer be walls and will make it very hard to manipulate your model.

So if you want to see the individual skins in 3D then you will have to model them as individual walls.
But that will also make it very hard to manipulate your model.

Barry.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:56:19 GMT

Barry wrote:
It is not possible to show the individual skins of a composite wall.
With 'Partial Structure Display' you can show 'Entire Model' (Core, Other and Finish skins), 'Without Finishes' (Core and Other skins) or 'Core Only' (Core skins).

It is not possible to show just the finishes or other skins on their own.

Converting the walls to a morph defeats the purpose because they will no longer be walls and will make it very hard to manipulate your model.

So if you want to see the individual skins in 3D then you will have to model them as individual walls.
But that will also make it very hard to manipulate your model.

Barry.

Sad
would be so good if the archicad had this option

Isn't possible to create another entire model?

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Barry Kelly — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:03:02 GMT

junim2307 wrote:
Isn't possible to create another entire model?

I don't understand.
How would another model help? - you will still have the same problem.

Barry.

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Anonymous — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:05:19 GMT

Barry wrote:

junim2307 wrote:
Isn't possible to create another entire model?

I don't understand.
How would another model help? - you will still have the same problem.

Barry.

Well, there has core only, and 2 other options
If possible, It could create for example internal skin and external skin and set in composite wall

Re: isolate 3d skin to show the map quantity

Barry Kelly — Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:16:53 GMT

junim2307 wrote:
Well, there has core only, and 2 other options

3 others if you include the Core of Load Bearing Elements - very similar to core only - still can't show the finishes and other.

Add your vote here for more Partial Display options.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=49055&p=242070&hilit=Partial+Structure+Display#p242070

Barry.