topic Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling in Collaboration with other software

Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Ernest Atanasiu — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 12:45:33 GMT

Hello

Is it possible to define the default finish for zones? I want to schedule a lot of zones with different custom finishes and it would be a lot easier to choose from a predefined list.
I am aware of the CUSTOM option, it would be nice if the values could be stored somewhere.

Thank you.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Erwin Edel — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 13:05:27 GMT

Perhaps use an actual surface on floor finish slab or a 2d fill with element ID set up and try to schedule those?

Just schedule element with criteria for slabs/fills on a certain layer, you can even setup a list of surfaces to look for or ID starting with certain letters.

Then add zone numer, zone name and surface / element ID to the fields.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Ernest Atanasiu — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:46:35 GMT

Thanks, but I won't do that for 365 zones already in the project

maybe next time

I wish these zones could get along with the schedules...

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Erwin Edel — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:52:31 GMT

You could explode the zones to fills (and keep original zone), take it from there.

If you set up favourites for zones in advance and use Find & Select in a clever way, it might not take as much time as going through every zone to fill out a custom text field.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Erwin Edel — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 14:53:17 GMT

Or plan B: maybe you can schedule the text field parameter and fill it out in the schedule. Using merge similar items to change it for multiple zones at once.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 08:33:47 GMT

I've always struggled this.
Is there a way to make the zone rated the wall floor and ceiling surfaces? Would be so much better for co-ordinating a room finish schedule with the model.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Erwin Edel — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 09:04:23 GMT

Plan C: setup IFC parameters for the zones and schedule those.

Select the zones in 3D to set the parameters quickly.

I would assume you can do some filtering with Find & Select to quickly grab the zones with similar finishes.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Ernest Atanasiu — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:59:06 GMT

My struggle is not to gather the required data into the schedule. Although I (always try to) go for a clean approach, it would be easier to use the Building Materials and Composites data in Zones.

In this project filtering is not a good approach, I know it sounds strange. I was not lying about the 365+ zones. These are in just one module and we have 6 modules already in place. Any room can have a combination of 20 floor finishes, 12 wall finishes and 10 ceiling finishes. And I have modeled everything so it should be easy to extract that data based on zones touching these finishes.

Oh, well, maybe version 25 will do that...

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Erwin Edel — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 14:38:58 GMT

Hmm, sorry I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to input all the finishes manually in to the zones, rather than extract them from the model.

Have you tried making a surface schedule (new in ArchiCAD19)? You should be able to extract per element (wall, slab, etc) and listing per zone the exposed surfaces with their area.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Ernest Atanasiu — Wed, 27 Apr 2016 14:10:39 GMT

That sound like a good idea. It would require a lot of rewiring, though.

If I manage to do the same thing i will repost the solution.

Re: Zone finish for walls, floors and ceiling

Erwin Edel — Thu, 28 Apr 2016 07:53:01 GMT

I should point out that for whatever reason these things only seem to work with zones that have automatic boundaries and are trimmed to roofs etc

I don't have a lot of experience with this amount of model detail, BIM-ness, the bulk of our work is private clients who tend to not know what they want on the floors and walls etc until we've already started construction

This makes quantity take off a lot more generic or less defined if you will.

But I did use the new surface schedule to moderate succes for extracting surface areas for the dutch standard energy evaluation calculation needed for permits by creating morphs using the simplified dimensioning required (breaking down the model to basic shapes) with specific surfaces assigned according to the 'energy loss surfaces'.