topic Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface in Collaboration with other software

Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Anonymous — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 02:29:21 GMT

I Would like to see in my zone stamp the total surface of doors and windows. Is there a way to include this call to the zone stamp object?

Anyone knows how?
Thank you.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Electric Flute — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:41:11 GMT

Yes, that would be nice to achieve.
Does any zone guru knows how?
Thank you.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

TomWaltz — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:46:22 GMT

Electric wrote:
Yes, that would be nice to achieve.
Does any zone guru knows how?
Thank you.

A quick look at the GDL manual seems to tell me that this is possible for columns (for subtracting area from a room), but I do not see anything about doors and windows...

I'll poke around a bit and see if I can find anything though... that sounds familiar, like I have seen it before somewhere.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Laszlo Nagy — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:13:05 GMT

http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/archiguide/zonefixparameters.html

It should be possible (I have not tried).
If you open a Zone Stamp object for editing, you will see ROOM_DOORS_SURF and ROOM_WINDS_SURF are the two global Zone parameters you are looking for.
Simply convert their values into string format with the STR command and write it out with the TEXT2 command in the 2D Script of your Zone Stamp.
It should work.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Electric Flute — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:10:03 GMT

Thank you laszlonagy!
But I couldn't make it work as I´m not very familiar with GDL.
Could you please write the whole command?
Thank you again.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:51:53 GMT

OK, I did it. I was interested in this, so I modified one of the ArchiCAD 9 Zone Stamps.
It is in the attachment.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:55:10 GMT

I show you an image of the result.
The Total Window and Total Door area can be displayed just like the Area of the Zone.
The Text Style, Font Name, etc. can be set just as well.
In the Master Script and 2D Script of the Zone Stamp I commented those lines which I inserted.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

TomWaltz — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:26:39 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
http://www.graphisoft.com/support/archicad/archiguide/zonefixparameters.html

It should be possible (I have not tried).
If you open a Zone Stamp object for editing, you will see ROOM_DOORS_SURF and ROOM_WINDS_SURF are the two global Zone parameters you are looking for.
Simply convert their values into string format with the STR command and write it out with the TEXT2 command in the 2D Script of your Zone Stamp.
It should work.

I knew I saw it somewhere. I forgot all about that Zone Manual... accessories are the same way, with lots of parameters in the subtype, but not really documented.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:25:41 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
I show you an image of the result.
The Total Window and Total Door area can be displayed just like the Area of the Zone...

Laszlonagy,
Nice example...I wonder how you might extend this to use the zone tool in creating Light and Vent shedules??? The values returned seem to give the overall opening surface...how might one get it to display only the glass surface area??? And since different types of windows have different operations, i.e., a fixed window provides no vent where as a single hung window might provide close to 50% of the surface area,etc.,etc.

Any thoughts?

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:11:28 GMT

Dan wrote:
laszlonagy wrote:
I show you an image of the result.
The Total Window and Total Door area can be displayed just like the Area of the Zone...
Laszlonagy,
Nice example...I wonder how you might extend this to use the zone tool in creating Light and Vent shedules??? The values returned seem to give the overall opening surface...how might one get it to display only the glass surface area??? And since different types of windows have different operations, i.e., a fixed window provides no vent where as a single hung window might provide close to 50% of the surface area,etc.,etc.

Any thoughts?

I think to be able to do this, the Zone should be able to know which Walls are around it (or even Roofs so we can consider Skylights). Then those Walls should know one by one which Doors and Windows are placed into them.
The Doors/Windows would write out data about themselves into a file, then the Zone Stamp would read data from it.
I think if this is possible, it is possible only with API.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:31:01 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
...I think if this is possible, it is possible only with API.

Yes, this is what I suspected. I was just hoping that there might be a way that I had ovelooked. I have resorted to creating light and vent values for each of my windows with a formula based on how the manufacturer calculates the values... I then place the values into parameters that I call into additional parameters of an interactive schedule...its sort of cumbersome and not without other problems.

The zone tool has so much potential as it is aware of all the objects, etc. it contains...I just wish there were easier more understanable/intuitve ways to harness the power.

Dan K

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

TomWaltz — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:33:57 GMT

Dan wrote:
Laszlonagy,
Nice example...I wonder how you might extend this to use the zone tool in creating Light and Vent shedules??? The values returned seem to give the overall opening surface...how might one get it to display only the glass surface area??? And since different types of windows have different operations, i.e., a fixed window provides no vent where as a single hung window might provide close to 50% of the surface area,etc.,etc.

Any thoughts?

I would think you would have to use the Interactive Scheduler or a Listing to get that information straight from the Doors/Windows/Louvers themselves. I believe going through the Zone to get these settings would only give you the size of the wall opening (WALLHOLE for you GDL types. Even then, the object itself would need some way of distinguishing glass area from frame area.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:54:18 GMT

TomWaltz wrote:
I would think you would have to use the Interactive Scheduler or a Listing to get that information straight from the Doors/Windows/Louvers themselves. I believe going through the Zone to get these settings would only give you the size of the wall opening (WALLHOLE for you GDL types. Even then, the object itself would need some way of distinguishing glass area from frame area.

Tom,
Yep...that's pretty much what I've attempted...see my post immediately preceeding yours. I have had some successes with this approach but I had to make all my windows "smart" enough to report this info as needed,i.e., special formulas placed into parameters.

Unfortuantely, this all kinda falls apart when I try to schedule multiple "additional parameters" from different criteria types...the I.S. currently cannot do this in one schedule...arghh!... It's been a while since I tried to set this up so I don't remember, exactly what all the problems were...I can tell you, however, that I met enough roadblocks to abandon the whole effort.

I got so close...but not close enough.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Electric Flute — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:35:18 GMT

Thank you Laszlonagy for your great help.

I´m also trying to create a Light and Vent shedules with IS like Dan Kunschik. I can´t get it!!
Please Graphisoft, let Zones read glass surfaces from doors and windows. That shouldn't be that difficult. Light/Vent shedules is a very important issue.

BTW, zones can´t read "W bottom hung" surface. Seems to be a bug with it's GDL script.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:00:47 GMT

Electric wrote:
Thank you Laszlonagy for your great help.

I´m also trying to create a Light and Vent shedules with IS like Dan Kunschik. I can´t get it!!
Please Graphisoft, let Zones read glass surfaces from doors and windows. That shouldn't be that difficult. Light/Vent shedules is a very important issue.

BTW, zones can´t read "W bottom hung" surface. Seems to be a bug with it's GDL script.

Guys, you should make a wish for this item.
I can imagine there could be new GDL Global variables implemented which could solve this.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Anonymous — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:24:14 GMT

laszlonagy wrote:
Guys, you should make a wish for this item.
I can imagine there could be new GDL Global variables implemented which could solve this.

Laszlo,
I made this wish quite some time ago...Actually exactly one year ago today. There was only one response to it and 7 favorable results.

Here it is for anyone interested:
http://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=3807

Maybe we can ressurrect some activity in the wish and see something out of Graphisoft by version 10???

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Laszlo Nagy — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:05:40 GMT

Cool. I voted essential.
It would be a nice addition to ArchiCAD's abilities.

Re: Zone Stamp showing w/d surface

Electric Flute — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:21:00 GMT

Sure it is! Count on me to vote.
Sometimes I feel demotivated to vote on these wishes. If Graphisoft could at least make some feedback....

Man, I do like ArchiCAD but hate their silence. Things are not like before, Autodesk with Revit is there now...

Bigger feedback means more development.

Hey! happy birthday for you wish!
I also have 2 little wishes, one has 1 year and the other has 2. We are a happy family!