topic Re: Annotations missing from schedules in Collaboration with other software

Annotations missing from schedules

Yvonne — Tue, 10 Aug 2021 04:47:14 GMT

Why do annotations (in plan/elevation views) disappear from schedules?

I have had this happen in a few different files.. sometimes the additional dimensions disappear and sometimes the notes.

How can I prevent this from happening again?

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Barry Kelly — Tue, 10 Aug 2021 05:16:51 GMT

Are you changing renovation filters?
Maybe this will help explain.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=62958&p=330591&hilit=annotation#p330591

Barry.

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Yvonne — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 00:53:38 GMT

Barry wrote:
Are you changing renovation filters?
Maybe this will help explain.

https://archicad-talk.graphisoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=62958&p=330591&hilit=annotation#p330591

Barry.

Thanks Barry. That kind of explains it.. but I don't believe I have changed the renovation filters of window/doors in the schedules.

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Laszlo Nagy — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 07:51:42 GMT

This is what I wrote:

This deletion can happen, for example, when you change the Renovation Filter, which influences/changes which elements will/will not be generated in a Schedule.

So, I think, changing the Renovation Filter is just one example that can cause this behavior. I believe there can be other cases. The developers did not tell me all those scenarios.

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Yvonne — Fri, 13 Aug 2021 05:43:05 GMT

LaszloNagy wrote:
This is what I wrote:

This deletion can happen, for example, when you change the Renovation Filter, which influences/changes which elements will/will not be generated in a Schedule.

So, I think, changing the Renovation Filter is just one example that can cause this behavior. I believe there can be other cases. The developers did not tell me all those scenarios.

Oh.. right.. ok thanks.
Do you know if there's a way to freeze the cells that have been annotated?

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Laszlo Nagy — Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:05:46 GMT

Right now I do not know of any way, but the developers told me that they are looking at the problem to come up with some kind of solution, which can then be included in a future update. No time estimate was given, though.

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Minh Nguyen — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:16:31 GMT

Yvonne wrote:
Why do annotations (in plan/elevation views) disappear from schedules?

I have had this happen in a few different files.. sometimes the additional dimensions disappear and sometimes the notes.

How can I prevent this from happening again?

Dear Yvonne,

Thank you very much for your report and I am very sorry for the experience!

As Laszlo has pointed out, the annotations sometimes get deleted on purpose. When a door/window is "hidden" from the schedule (for example, due to Renovation filter changes), there is a cleanup action to get rid of those unused annotations. However, we do see that in some cases, it brings a negative effect of data loss, thus, with Archicad 24 Update 4 and Archicad 25 Update 2, a special key is implemented, allowing you to modify this behavior:

- On Windows: open Registry Editor (Start > type Regedit), then navigate to \HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\GRAPHISOFT\ARCHICAD\ARCHICAD 24.0.0 INT R1\Schedule
Set the key CleanupUnusedAnnotations to 0 to disable the cleanup action.

- On macOS: use a free Plist Editor (for example this one)
Look for the file com.graphisoft.AC 24.0.0 INT v1.plist, double click this file to open it. Search for the key Schedule, then set CleanupUnusedAnnotations to 0 to disable the cleanup action.

The side effect of disabling this key is there might be some small file size increase (and potential small slowness) due to unused data being left in the file's database. If it happens, setting the key to 1 and reopening/resaving the file will help to reduce the file size.

Of course, this is not a sustainable solution, so we are still working on how to achieve a balance between keeping data and as well as optimizing performance. We had some ideas already, but any feedback is greatly appreciated!

Thank you very much for your patience and understanding! I look forward to hearing from you!

Best regards,
Minh

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Yvonne — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:00:36 GMT

Hi Minh,

Does this work for teamwork files?

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Barry Kelly — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 06:10:41 GMT

The registry or plist changes would need to be made on every machine used in teamwork.

It is an operating system change and not one saved in the Archicad file.

Barry.

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Mats_Knutsson — Tue, 28 Mar 2023 09:38:54 GMT

Hi Minh,

Has this been solved? We're on 23 and annotations in schedules behave badly from time to time. The challenge is not to balance data/performance btw. Data needs to be correct, the it should be optimized performance wise.

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Kornel Beleznai — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 15:32:15 GMT

Hi Mats,

Thank you for your question following up on this topic.

I discussed the situation with the developers and whether there are any recent improvements on it. They told me that the bugfix for this issue is quite difficult to execute, as the interaction between the two entirely separate functions (Schedule - Annotation) can come with deeper complications in the software.

Even though there is no target version for a permanent fix yet, this is an issue very much in development's sight and they are constantly working on a possible solution. Until that happens, the officially suggested approach is still the Cleanup disabling method through the Registry Editor that Minh described in details in his earlier entry.

I'm sorry for not being able to bring more progressive news and also for the inconveniences this problem might cause. Hopefully our developers will manage to come up with a solution as soon as possible. Until then, thank you for your patience!

Kind regards,
Kornél

Re: Annotations missing from schedules

Mats Knutsson — Tue, 15 Apr 2025 06:34:34 GMT

Still need to do the regedit change in AC27?