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Beam volume doubled in schedule?

kajnorberg — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 12:45:59 GMT

Hi!

Today I discovered a curious issue when calculating material volumes. All my beams doubled their volume in the schedule. I tried converting them all to morphs and all of them were halved in volume to their correct amount. Why is this happening? It is creating quite a lot of problems for me!

Thank you!
/Kaj

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

Barry Kelly — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 01:28:08 GMT

What type of schedule is it - element or component?
Can you post a screen shot of the schedule settings - criteria and fields?

Barry.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

James B — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 03:33:31 GMT

I'd also check the schedule scheme, is it checking Beam and/or Beam Segment? It may be checking the Beam and Beam Segment data - may want to add element type is not Beam Segment.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

vdentello — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 14:34:51 GMT

The Same applies for Columns. You Have to either select Beam Parts or "Full" Beam, if you calculate volume you have to exclude one of them or you'll get duplicate values.
They actually "coexist" in the model.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

kajnorberg — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:14:24 GMT

Ah yes, thank you all! That was it!

I was using the components interactive schedule and hadn't really specified what element types should be included, but it worked if I removed either one of them.

Thanks again!

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

Anonymous — Mon, 27 Mar 2023 04:45:09 GMT

TBH, this is a quite radical approach GS is taking to scheduling items. It is not clear at all this will happen when you create a schedule.

In my opinion, it should exclude double elements by default or simply not schedule them unless they are implicitly specified.

Hope GS realises that a lot of schedules created in Archicad are most likely issued with wrong quantities.

My wish would be to have a category of items to include/exclude in schedules or selection criteria etc.. Similar to how you have "All types", "3D types" and "2D types", perhaps "All subcomponents" or whatever naming convention GS chooses to use.

It is a bit of work to add a long list of exclusions every time you are building a schedule.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

Botonis — Mon, 01 Apr 2024 18:27:06 GMT

When you just have a single-segment beam thus a single beam why is Archicad doubles the volume.......?

Why do you have to add the beam element filtering when there is no multisegmented beam in the elements you want to schedule....?

Trying hard to understand.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

Barry Kelly — Tue, 02 Apr 2024 00:33:57 GMT

All beams are segmented, even when they have just one segment.

Barry.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

mthd — Tue, 02 Apr 2024 05:52:48 GMT

Just as well that you were able to pick up that error @kajnorberg. Who knows what else is not calculating correctly in the schedule lists ??? Nothing wrong with going over the elements list with a fine tooth comb. It can make the difference between winning the project and or not allowing enough money to cover the complete construction costs. No substitute for expert judgement and scrutinising the quantities and associated costs.

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

Botonis — Tue, 02 Apr 2024 06:48:46 GMT

I get that but the fact that only volume is shown x2 and not surfaces makes things a little bit confusing.

The logical thing would be for one segment beams the volume should be equal to just that one segment.... I guess.....

Re: Beam volume doubled in schedule?

Jonas Krieg — Tue, 02 Apr 2024 15:23:51 GMT

Yeeeees! I am waiting for that for years 😁