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!Restored: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:22:25 GMT

hi everybody...
i am working in archicad11, and i render my 3d models in art lantis r-studio.i have a problem with exporting 3d file from archicad.when i go to save it as .atl document, there appears a little window: cannot write output files.
can anybody help me?

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:36:52 GMT

Sounds llike a permissions problem. Common especially of you write to a server. Do you have full write priviledges to teh folder youäre writing to?

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:50:07 GMT

I had that exact problem yesterday. But not to Studio, just to R.

I tried saving to different places (server + local machine),
saving with short file names and no spaces (older versions of artlantis didn't like spaces in names), and saving without any archicad/camera/material information. Same useless error message.

In the end I marqueed the bit of my model i wanted to render (luckily I only wanted to render one little area) and that seemed to work.

To me this indicates that there is something wrong in the model that Archicad can't write to an .atl file.

But in this particular model there is nothing out of the ordinary - it was built from our office template, using our standard office library parts/materials etc... We export every model we do into Artlantis, using the same standard office template/libraries/materials and have never come across this problem before...

Very frustrating and weird.

As a side note - does anyone else have problems with Artlantis R being ridiculously unstable, I seem to have crashes several times a day at the moment, and can't work out what I'm doing wrong.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

David Collins — Thu, 18 Oct 2007 05:58:20 GMT

I've seen this message when exporting *very* complex models. You might try exporting the model in several smaller packages and then merging them into one Artlantis file. Artlantis can handle huge models, but there is definitely a lower ceiling on what ArchiCAD can sucessfully export.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:42:52 GMT

Suddenly, I wonder if I got a blackout or if I'm really this stupid all the time -
I can't Save As .atl for ArtlantisR, that is I can't find the command. is the plugin missing? Where can I find it (not on Abvent's site)
AC11 1086 INT FULL

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:33:52 GMT

To save as an ATL file, you must be be in the 3D window in perspective mode. You need not be looking at the model (old trick for fast 3D window generation). File > Save As ... and you'll find *.atl in the list of file types.

cheers,
Karl

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:44:24 GMT

Karl wrote:
To save as an ATL file, you must be be in the 3D window in perspective mode. You need not be looking at the model (old trick for fast 3D window generation). File > Save As ... and you'll find *.atl in the list of file types.

Thanks, Karl, but that's precisely what I'm doing????

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:09:51 GMT

I checked - I've got an ArtlantisRStudio_Out.bundle in the Addons/Import-Export folder. It's version Artlantsi_Out version 3.0 build (109) dated May 28 2007.
For some reason Archicad doesn't read it?

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Djordje — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:36:37 GMT

Any zero height walls?

When saving the model, look away into the space; the model will be saved, but the memory usage will be less.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Djordje — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:47:36 GMT

The manual for the export plugin is at http://www.abvent.com/support/download/info.php?id=1912&id_pf=2&id_pro=44&id_ver=43

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:48:12 GMT

Thanks Djordje. But that's just documentation, no software.

I've tested with a vanilla Archicad file, created from the default template, with just a few non-zero walls in it.

Still no .atl SaveAs option. And as I said , the plugin is there, it's just seems that Archicad doesn't read it. YOu can see the available options above, and from that list, you may conclude that I'm actually trying to save from the correct 3D window. And I can assure you that it is in Perspective mode.

And since the AC11 plugin isn't available to download, I guess can't replace it with less than a whole re-install of Archicad (I tried downloading and re-installing ArtlantisR but that didn't give me a new plugin).

I dunno if it's something I've done. I use Artlantis just occasionally, but I've certainly used it within AC11 before.

Is it possible that one add-on can disable another? The last thing I installed in the Archicad folder was Objective a couple of weeks ago. But that may be just a coincidence.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Rakela Raul — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:54:36 GMT

i just checkd for you Thomas and no problem with my ac11....my atl is at the bottom of list

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:18:58 GMT

OK. Thanks. I guess only option left is to re-install

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Karl Ottenstein — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:27:30 GMT

Thomas wrote:
I checked - I've got an ArtlantisRStudio_Out.bundle in the Addons/Import-Export folder. It's version Artlantsi_Out version 3.0 build (109) dated May 28 2007.
For some reason Archicad doesn't read it?

That's what I've got, too, Thomas. So, it's really odd that that Artlantis output option doesn't appear in your drop-down list. (It is second from the bottom when I'm looking at the same dialog as your screenshot on my Mac.)

Djordje's note I think only applies when the add-on fails to export. But, not seeing the add-on at all is pretty weird....

Go to Options > Add-On Manager and see if "Artlantis R Out" is listed. Shows up for me with a checkmark and the Add-On Info panel confirms the location in the interface.

Karl

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Thomas Holm — Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:07:21 GMT

Karl wrote:
Go to Options > Add-On Manager and see if "Artlantis R Out" is listed. Shows up for me with a checkmark and the Add-On Info panel confirms the location in the interface.

I did. It's NOT listed.

But when I open the 'Edit List of Available Add-Ons' pane, and then 'Search for more Add-On' and point to the existing addons>export-import folder, it's there but i can't select it, it's still greyed out even when I de-select the 'Hide loaded Add-Ons' checkbox. I'm stumped. It seems Archicad thinks it has loaded it despite that it hasn't!

I did some checking in the Finder. The Artlantis thingy is the only one that has a .bundle extension and type: package, except Objective. All the other add-ons have no extensions, have a puzzlepiece icon, and are of type LOC_CFBundleTypeName_something. That tells me nothing!

But I guess the thing has got corrupt some way.

I'll hold of reinstalling a little, but I can't replace it with one from another machine, because mine is still the only Intel mac in the office.

Edited: I've also checked file permissions. I can't find a problem there either.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Anonymous — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:49:30 GMT

I had the same problem (cannot write output file) when i tried to export an .atl file. The problem is with some library part from AC11 library (for exemple LCDmonitor). I read on Artlantis support that someone had the same problem with wicker chair, wicker sofa and wicker table too. There may be some other library parts that cause the same problem but I only found these ones. Try to exclude them from your file (if you are using them) and tell us if it works this way.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Karl Ottenstein — Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:24:46 GMT

Cristina wrote:
I had the same problem (cannot write output file) when i tried to export an .atl file...

This is a different problem than Thomas is having in this thread, but thanks for mentioning it again. 😉 It was interesting to note that these library parts are supposedly 'known' by GS to cause problems:
LCD Monitor
Wicker Chair
Wicker Table
Wicker Sofa
Yet, they never notified us here! Here is the thread on the Abvent forums where you found the problem and Abvent revealed more issues:
http://www.abvent.com/support/forum/read.php?fid=atl_import_us&mes=975

Speaking of issues, apparently Artlantis 1.2.6 will not run on Leopard!
http://www.abvent.com/support/forum/read.php?fid=atl_general_us&mes=8285

Back on topic...Thomas does not even have the export option - the add-on does not show up on his Intel Mac for some reason. I'm sure he'll post again when he has it figured out, but I know other people on Intel Macs are not having problems, so it is a strange thing...

Karl

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Anonymous — Thu, 01 Nov 2007 08:23:45 GMT

About the problem that Thomas is having... I remember that the first time i installed Archicad I couldn't pick the atl file either. I had Archicad repaired and then I installed an export pluggin for AC10. After that the atl file apeared on the list but I couldn't tell if the problem was solved by repairing Archicad or by installing the pluggin for AC10. I'm sorry I can't tell you more.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Ignacio Azpiazu — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:25:39 GMT

I was having the same problem with AC11 1086, OS X.10, on a 2x2Ghz Mactel. Another computer with the same system and AC release was not having the problem. When I copied the add-on from the working computer into the non-working computer, the non-working computer kept on not working. And it showed the same 3D cube Lego icon the non-working bundle was showing before, instead of the typical 2D puzzle piece icon it showed on the working computer.

In one of the attempts I iChated the package to my computer, and in the process it lost its extension and showed up on my desktop as a regular folder. I manually added the .bundle to the folder name, and glory glory hallelujah the icon turned into the puzzle icon and after putting that into my Add-Ons folder replacing what was there before everything now works.

I am attaching 2 zipped packages, one do-it-yourself pre-.bundle-force-typing and the other one after, which is the exact working thing I have in my computer now. (2nd file goes in following post because of file-size limitations.)

It seems as if the System or some other evil entity is modifying the file based on its extension or some other unix abstruse file in the package, or something in the installation was messed up in some related way.

I miss the days when you could just ResEdit out of this type of problems.

Re: from archicad11 to artlantis r-studio

Ignacio Azpiazu — Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:52:52 GMT

Ignacio wrote:
(2nd file goes in following post because of file-size limitations.)