topic Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks in Collaboration with other software

Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

TomWaltz — Thu, 31 May 2007 18:00:43 GMT

Another good product goes down...
http://www.tenlinks.com/news/PR/AUTODESK/053107_navisworks.htm

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Laura Yanoviak — Thu, 31 May 2007 18:08:06 GMT

Wow... that is just sad...

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Aaron Bourgoin — Thu, 31 May 2007 18:32:37 GMT

I'm trying to see the bright side of this - and can't, today. Sad.

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Thu, 31 May 2007 21:17:15 GMT

Personally I have never liked the Navisworks product. I have always considered it to be a dead end, expensive file viewer. And I am not impressed with its automated interference detection abilities.

Some, however, consider it to be an essential component in their workflow. I guess today is a celebration of those that have joyfully fallen onto the Autodesk bandwagon.

Riff Masteroff

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Dwight — Thu, 31 May 2007 21:48:10 GMT

Note to self: "To joyfully fall on the Autodesk sword."

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:41:12 GMT

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

...again.

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

TomWaltz — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:04:15 GMT

I liked what I had seen done with it. I had always wished our engineers were using 3D/BIM-type stuff so we could give the collision detection and analysis a try.

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:24:05 GMT

Suddenly I'm scared. I use NW with Constructor and no know what is going to happen now. I don't want to switch to Revit.

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:16:09 GMT

Hello All,

From my usage, I feel that 3d programs in the non-construction sector use display technology that is orders of magnitude better than 3d/BIM programs for the AEC industry. Navisworks is just a little below average on that scale.

Navisworks also has no useful output (is not interoperable), is way too expensive for what you get and it forces you to purchase the programs that it inputs. For example, what good is it to input and resolve a point cloud (laser scan) if you can't output the geometry?

The loss of Navisworks should be a call to arms to replace the need for its use. A GS reseller once said to me: "sadly Navisworks is all we have". I deeply respect her intellect and knowledge. I do feel, however she has a non-visible set of blinders on.

AC really needs to come up to the standards of computer software circa 2007. Is your layers panel interactive? Does it update the viewports as soon as you make a layer(s) visible? Can you have any number of backround (ghost) layers visible in the 3d view. Can you mix and match selected foreground and backround (ghost) layers from multiple models all loaded into RAM at the same time? Can you view pancake flat multiple dwg drawings in the 3d (perspective) viewport? Can you walk through walls in the perspective (3d) view? Redraw in the 3d viewport should be so fast that you are not aware that the computer is doing it. You should be able to jiggle your mouse as fast as you hand can move it and have the model jiggle on screen with it just as fast. Is the limit of polygons around 100 million before AC starts to react slower?

In December of 2005 a friend said to me, "you won't like it compared to what you are doing, ArchiCAD is clunky". Sheesh, I dearly want to use AC's toolset without work arounds. My merely human mind can detect problems with a design a whole lot better than a $5000 (US) Navisworks module can detect the (problem) subset of interferences. But I do need to be able to look at and manipulate the model correctly.

Riff Masteroff

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:44:41 GMT

Hmm, well. I allow myself to disagree on that. Lets just say that NW works best in complex environment. Try to find all the clashes in the 500 000 sqft hospital. Good luck with "human mind". NW does not have (almost) any output because it is the final tool. What would be the purpose of export? What would you like to export? This tool allows you to import almost anything and that what counts. and it can display far faster than any BIM/CAD software on the market. Important when you work with complex structures.

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:17:38 GMT

Never heard of it , never used it , but after this i checked the net , ok it's a good tool , and guess what ? again Autodesk doing the same sh!tty thing that they know how to do , it is a good program? ok then buy it !! put Autodesk label on it and start shipping it ... god i hate those people !!

its the old story of money versus human and senses , the story of the old beautiful house , that still stands among skyscrapers ? but in the end they will manage to crush it and build a 90 story building... why? coz they have the money!! i hate it .. i mean really

Re: Autodesk to Acquire NavisWorks

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:00:29 GMT

So an independent product allowing the users of diverse CAD packages to collaborate is to be owned and run by Autodesk.

The obvious question is whether it will continue to be a means for users of diverse CAD packages to collaborate or whether it will be another tool to try to lever Revit into every architect's office.

I haven't used it but having seen it demo'd and it look good.

Watch out for the next release............

Maybe Nemetschek buying Graphisoft was the best thing for ArchiCAD users. At least someone out there will want Allplan, ArchiCAD & Vectorworks to be able to share CAD models.